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mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: "there is no good answer!!11" really ? "yes, because i will not consider the obvious point that this guy's supernumerary"
simonpenner: I did, apparently didn't read far enough
mircea_popescu: i'm fabulously rich, i don't do anything.
simonpenner: I write software, people give me money for it
simonpenner: I can, just slow
asciilifeform: simonpenner: you will, but there is a long queue, i've been waiting for gassing since '13
simonpenner: I figure if you were actually up to no good you probably woudln't do it in public
simonpenner: am I going to get swat guys busting down my door for hanging out here?
simonpenner: I've a cat. I love. I used to have a dog (ex's dog), I loved him. Both are good
simonpenner: so you're on the right track I think
asciilifeform: i suppose ben_vulpes catches rats with own hands
simonpenner: I mean, cats > dogs
BingoBoingo: It's a mix. I am primarily an alcoholic in recovery.
simonpenner: oh I get it
BingoBoingo: I did see that, but what can a person do?
simonpenner: I did write liek 3/4ths of the rest of the site tho
simonpenner: to clarify in case you missed this: I did not write the days of rage post, that is a guestpost
simonpenner: BingoBoingo: I poked my head in here the other day on a fake name via webchat, to figure out what it is. Now I've got a bouncer set up and can IRC again
simonpenner: I've been invited here it seems
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: eh i'm aware
Reuel: Not sure whether I missed some more talk earlier, disconnected a few times, but I'll read up in the logs. Going to mull over the no free money thing a bit.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone seriously believes this dude's stuff is not already held by everyone interested in triplicate.
mircea_popescu: i never knew.
asciilifeform: '...the nature and seriousness of the danger to any person in the community that will be posed by the release, it's clear that the Government sort of paints the Defendant as a walking encyclopedia of classified information. I don't know if that's completely correct, but I do know that he had access to all of this information, and I credit him, and I certainly am glad we're not sitting here talking
mircea_popescu: i don't think bail is intended to exist anymore.
asciilifeform: 'So, when Mr. Wyda noted that the Court has already ruled, I'm ruling in accordance with the Bail Reform Act and the fact that the Government has not indicted under more serious offenses. So I am limited by what I can make a determination, and here, I'm limited on the issue of risk of flight. I've listened to both sides carefully, and I think that Mr. Wyda has made some very persuasive arguments.
Reuel: yeah I will
Reuel: In the end art is to make people feel, some art makes sophisticated people feel sophisticated things, some art makes simple people feel simple things, and I guess as a starting artist, Im not that picky yet
Reuel: I agree the money coming in is like magic, it mirrors gibmedats a bit actually, lol
Reuel: However I do think it would be a game people would enjoy, maybe not bitcoin people though :)
Reuel: I see the concern, yeah
diana_coman: Reuel, let me see if I get this straight: you want to implement a "small" scale model of democracy in order to test whether it works; at the same time, you propose to implement it on a model of reality that is purposefully broken because..."scope is too small for it to matter"?
mircea_popescu: tomorrow i vote to give myself more salary than your platform can support. i mean this literally, 1024! shall be my salary. what then ?
Reuel: I would say the meat of the game is in the intrigue around selecting laws that benefit groups or individuals
mircea_popescu: not something i engage in / think about.
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno, this may be something you might enjoy but i have no advice about
Reuel: I hoped to see it crash and burn
Reuel: Yes I agree, irl, but this would be a small time waster, are you saying that any game that gives you "free" resources is bad?
Reuel: well youll probably tell me i dont get the idea
Reuel: I did, and I get the idea, but this is way smaller in scope
diana_coman: Reuel, I suggest you read & a play eulora for a while - it will help you with this
Reuel: I hope you can grasp the game cycle from this
mircea_popescu: Reuel your description is badly phrased. for instance in the first paragraph : i encounter the symbol "the best outcome for their nation", but it's not defined nor obviously supported by the introduction. leaving aside that going from "x is defined" to "x is measurable in an algebraic group which permits ordering" which is what "best" implies -- your perspective is globalist and there's no fundamental solution for a national
Reuel: where do I find more about your Eulora suggestion?
BingoBoingo: "I had seen the moonwalk [not the pedophilic stage dance, but the actual walk on the Moon that orbits Planet Earth] recently and therefore believed in what was essentially magic."
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << this is the official acknowledgement of the receipt. likewise i saw it the first two times you posted it, but didn't realize that writing the nth copy of the logreader that you embarked on is a high priority republic business. seriously, what's with the attitude? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:52 ben_vulpes: unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences.
asciilifeform: the number is unknowable and i will not pretend to know it or estimate it.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, NOTHING will scale in this mythical 'i want INFINITE parts in close communion' sense. even having too many atoms in one place, 'won't scale', you get neutron star.
asciilifeform: i don't, my oracular ball broke, i dropped it on cement.
asciilifeform: quite likely. but i dare say, they will for the most part be sane in a non-btc-directed way.
asciilifeform: i see btc as 'strategic' machine, closer to tonnes-of-au, or hydrogen bomb, or icbm sub, than to something 'to buy coffee with'.
asciilifeform: as for 'growth', i have extreme difficulty picturing the number of users of bitcoin who have by any conceivable stretch of the imagination ~actual business using it~ going up, rather than down
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 21:56 mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and i didn't even crib this maxim from BingoBoingo's links. it seems elementary. )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:58 mircea_popescu: drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great."
asciilifeform: first time i ~ever~ see a .zw
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics) << indeed. i have collected some of these myself.
ben_vulpes: nah, but carrying 27+lbs of kid plus groceries while i stare at the sky and contemplate nozzles that impart rotational inertia to the flugenbody is not time efficient; i can just as easily design while hefting bairns
ben_vulpes: i only recently realized that i needed to be doing the heavy lifting on family outings
mircea_popescu: drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait why ? i don't even lift!
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 21:09 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here
ben_vulpes: i would say "fight me irl" but you're the one #t denizen i don't think i'd have reasonable odds against
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm not black.
ben_vulpes: i am offended at the inadequacy of everything in this world
ben_vulpes: yaok i get it. wp nesting limit even existing boggles my mind
mircea_popescu: he didn't want to say naggum-c because i said it already.
asciilifeform: ftr ~already~ i cannot 'reply to' ben_vulpes's last comment.
mircea_popescu: "if i allocate what i think it should be the program crashes"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 20:16 Framedragger: i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files)
ben_vulpes: i did note. care to expunge?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608439 << you will notice trilema doesn't use these. this because i think they're idiotic. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they insulted his ancestors or something, i dun recall.
mircea_popescu: i thought bahamas did nasa
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to arab i'd be in cairo, they have fine mosqs.
mircea_popescu: yes well. by the time "scientist" is unable to ~comprehend~ what the fuck the numbers say about his data, i don't care what fucking calisthenics he does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately meatware research ~selects~ for 'follow the motion' types. 'tis why i got out.
mircea_popescu: no fucking concept of analysis, i'm not discussing hyperpeels or any nuttery, just merely the concept of hey, if it's a function i can derive it, find the inflections, DRAW IT. yes with the fucking draughtsman kit.
asciilifeform: it was in fact what i did there, fill in this strange hole .
mircea_popescu: "why the fuck" "because i need to add the cells"
asciilifeform: (i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer') ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i worked in the most abject imaginable usg pits, no one gave half a shit re 401k. maybe if mega-brass.
ben_vulpes: castle i should say
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am i shit you not considering moving the brood back into the family domicile in 2019
ben_vulpes: although i suppose enough do it that none of them risk ostracization for it now
asciilifeform: or how i pay 3x per square metre vs. 'mortgaged' folx
asciilifeform: the last time i 'worked with' mice, i was quite convinced that they ~knew~ what is a mousetrap. and had 'sappers'.
mircea_popescu: did i recount the famous episode of my mother fishing btw ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm not proposing your life choices are invalid. i am saying the form of the argument is broken. it's easy to pretend like you know better than fish while not being fish. in point of fact fish does as best he can
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dun see the hook, have staff on call 24/7. no harem, granted, but "ride or die bitch" worth a million hausfraus.
asciilifeform: i'll go with the classic cyanide&wagner, tyvm
ben_vulpes: "being of sound mind and body, i'm spending my money as fast as i can"
mircea_popescu: i thought you were married.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: make no mistakes, i bite zero hooks myself
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << o wow ? i thought there was a protocol for this and everything ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun see this 'must'.
ben_vulpes: no, i kid.