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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc it was kinda chartered with carte blanche, "do whatever, just do".
the way history flew it worked out as a sort of "holder of
trb project" pretty much yes.
mod6: Overall, yes. I
think we need
to determine if
the entire
thing is worthwhile.
mod6: I used
to collaborate much more with
the man, but he's been afk for quite some
time.
mircea_popescu: are you practically solo chair
these days or do you hold meetings with ben_vulpes and so on ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: not at all. I'm proud
to do
the work.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: and wouldja rather be doing sumthing else ? << Yeah, I
think four years is enough, I
think someone else should
take over.
mircea_popescu: i kinda have in
the back of my mind
this impression
that poor shane's ended up stuck with a large number of loose ends
to juggle.
☟︎ mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 : how much
time approximately ~does~ it burn ? << I'm not even sure I can put a number on it exactly. I put a lot of
time in. It's a huge responsibility.
mircea_popescu: in principle. but our values are very much in
the vein of debirocratization, after all. somehow i fear it's more of a haskellism
than anything.
mircea_popescu: this question is confounded, because he does a lot of copyediting and general maintenance for all sorts of work
that'd have
to be done anyway,
mircea_popescu: it's not directly evident
to me
that foundation as it currently stands is factually more
than a permanent drain on mod6 's worktime.
mircea_popescu: hey, whole republic is built out of
trying out
the civilised
things various empires came up with. some fruit better
than others.
mircea_popescu: maybe with some extra overhead he conceivably doesn'\t even need, in
the latter case.
mircea_popescu: the issue however, is
that if mod6 does all
the work he does ~as mod6 ~ or as ~the chair of bitcoin foundation~ in
the end makes little difference, it's still
the exact same work.
mircea_popescu: i dunno
that we've exaustively
tried
that angle, nor do i
think we must drop everything and
try etc. we're currently well invested, i'm not protesting it.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life
to it acquired meanwhile
than what it starded with. a flying brick.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: nevermind
the pissing off,
that's not
the issue.
this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in
the day. it didn't manage
to
turn
these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 phf: (i'm not up
to date with log)
trinque: i can post a patched v.py
that works with vtools, i have some free
time sunday evening
to prep it up
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 mircea_popescu: considering
the rate of new work on
trb approximates epsilon for
the march-september interval, it seems
to me entirely bullshit,
this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way
to contribute because no working keccak".
mod6: Yeah, I
thought
the
thing was fixed and
the archives were moved,
too. But may have been mistaken.
trinque: you actually have
to set up
the dork CDN in front of it yourself
though
mircea_popescu: which w/e, i recall
this was
the case a while back, cheap instance or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only displays
that if cloudflare decides
to proxy it.
mircea_popescu: if i have
to run a balance sheet putting
the active on one side and passive=delayed-keccak-adoption on
the other side, it's coming out in
the red as it stands.
mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life
to it acquired meanwhile
than what it starded with. a flying brick.
☟︎ mod6: This is
true, I kicked in 10 BTC of my own, even.
mircea_popescu: nevermind
the pissing off,
that's not
the issue.
this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in
the day. it didn't manage
to
turn
these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
☟︎ mod6: Maybe it is
time
to give someone else a
turn at
the helm of
the Foundation, or move
to not have a foundaiton at all.
mod6: I didn't mean
to piss ya off with my comments above, Sir.
mod6: Alright. If we disband it, what do we do with
the coins?
mircea_popescu: not even entirely sure what precisely we'd be missing if
there was no foundation at all, right off.
mod6: I actually would have figured you'd want me
to ensure a smooth
transition with
the correct
tooling. Not jump into something before we're ready.
mircea_popescu: but as far as
the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up
to
tell me "oh, we can't follow
the keccak because reasons" ima put an end
to it in short order.
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 00:27 mircea_popescu: does
the
thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ?
mod6: Anyway, if someone wants
to
take over my role at
the foundation, please let me know.
mod6: It should get better now
that BingoBoingo has
taken over management duites.
mod6: Only
thing I've been held back by is lack of
time as I've been way overwhelemed by all of
the Pizarro work.
mod6: I certainly wasn't held back by no keccak. Who said
that?
mircea_popescu: for one
thing -- make
the fucking
thing, and for
the other
thing -- last month "oh, we have no way
to contribute because -- summer days".
mircea_popescu: considering
the rate of new work on
trb approximates epsilon for
the march-september interval, it seems
to me entirely bullshit,
this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way
to contribute because no working keccak".
☟︎ phf: (i'm not up
to date with log)
trinque: i can post a patched v.py
that works with vtools, i have some free
time sunday evening
to prep it up
☟︎ mod6: And I don't
think I'm
try
to wreck anything by being methodical.
mod6: If you want
this done asap, can work
towards creating vpatches
that have keccak.
trinque: would also
take a phf item, if v.py is ready
to roll with vtools
trinque: which incidentally is a great segue
to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a
thing with which
to cuntoo?
☟︎ mod6: I'm not saying
that we shouldn't move
to keccak, just would ideally have a
tool
that supports it.
mircea_popescu: only existed
there AT ALL because nobody cared what is
there at some indistinct point in
the past.
mircea_popescu: now
that we're done with alf's wrecking of
the naming convention, gotta deal with mod6 's wrecking of
the historical flow ? keccak isn't some fucking optional package on
top of mainline usg-provided sha.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me
the only kind of newb
this is is a very old hand determined
to sabotage
the process. newbs will just
take
the state of
the art.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:54 mod6: Anyway,
TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until
there is a very clean way
to switch. For
The Foundation,
the switch needs
to be very seemless for newbs.
mircea_popescu: * About
to connect()
to
therealbitcoin.org port 80 (#0)
trinque: that will serve
the item if it has it cached, or will otherwise request from
the backend, which is apparently faulty
mod6: i seem
to be able
to curl
that url above, np.
trinque: so appears on my end
that yes,
thing referenced by
that domain is on aws
trinque: curling instead with
the IP works fine over here
mod6: jurov: Can you give us an update on all of
the above ^?
trinque: 161.0.121.248 <<
this appears
to be
the pizarro box, eh?
mod6: (at least, I
thought so)
mod6: The archive part was moved
to
the foundation
mod6: I'm not sure where
the mailman front end is hosted.