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mircea_popescu: davout somehow the retard's excuse always is "i'm not the only retard btw". which is a shockingly safe bet not to mention kinda begging the question... OF FUCKING COURSE pointless & witless demographically dominate. but somehow this seems novel and refreshing to them.

jurov: and i doubt very much openssh has any extra code to avoid this situation

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not welcome in that heathen pit

mircea_popescu: the significant point, of course, being that the female state DOESNT EVEN DARE ADMIT IT. just like working class mom not buying kid shoes because $reasons, rather than because "i was too dumb when i was 20 to not be poor now that i'm 35 and look like 49, honey."

mircea_popescu: i dunno.

mircea_popescu: and in other lulz caer i mean eu is actually splitting up huh.

asciilifeform: i got a nooseitem comin'

asciilifeform: i dun think this will make his ssh client work tho.

Framedragger: i'm not too sure why you even needed a handler for HUP, it closes by default

asciilifeform: Framedragger: yeah i forgot to cut it

mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess that whole BUTT thing was moderately entertaining.

Framedragger: ben_vulpes: you may have a point i'faith. that said, _why_ is she so fat?..

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yer outta teh loop, you're supposed to abstract it with the great framework of jquery, no i mean angular, no i mean backbone, no i mean ember, no i mean react

mircea_popescu: i thought that's called ajax

Framedragger: i personally have a special place in my heart for the static content websites which refuse to render a single legible char without heavy javascript. not that the rendered text is full of glorious content, of course

Framedragger: well now that it's fixxord i'm certain it's smooth sailing from here on.

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i'll be working on it between a couple of my nodes this afternoon. got a slave set up. now.... master

davout: i'm in their IRC room for lulz, it's absolutely delicious

asciilifeform: sorta why i have the 'nqb' thing going.

mircea_popescu: you know, i've been meditating on http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-22#887519 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586656 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616771 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623920 semanticolade. ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎

BingoBoingo: A least I suspect,

davout: I should be current in a few hours \o/

davout: I'm syncing since last december

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1627069 << i see your (nicely illustrated, heh) point, mk. ridoinculous has to be called if it's ridoinculous, sure ☝︎

mircea_popescu: why, did i imply it was a train ?

mircea_popescu: (taking schoolgirl to abandoned / out of service train and fucking her is, i expect, kindergarten-universal yes.)

mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder how many people took a ho over to graf zepellin and fucked her there, during the 30s.

mircea_popescu: i guess...

asciilifeform: killing pirates is quite kosher per 'law of the sea' last i knew

a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 17:07 ben_vulpes: i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i do. the inconsistency that my (naive) mind spots is the "eh empire is not powerful anyway" + "there is no current alternative for X than Y" in conjunction with "how dare you use Y!!!"

a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:25 asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'

mircea_popescu: i suppose it's stylite in english ?

davout: asciilifeform: .jp thing i reckon

a111: 2017-02-17 <mthreat> people who don't shower in jail/prison are called 'vikings', or another name in Spanish which I forget. There is peer pressure to not stink in there.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626924 << i've been on a long term quest to find young men who are rich and not mentally retarded. it's pretty slow going. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: and in other hieroglyph lulz, me at travel agent, buying tickets. calls girl, "send so and so email a picture". beet red travel agent. "you know... i needed a copy of the passport". "what did you get ?" > nudegirl.jpg

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder why they even bother spelling that shit out by now, truly should just have pictorgraphs.

mircea_popescu: i have nfi what people think, but from eg mpoe-pr's experience, it'll be something shockingly stupid and in all the joins nonsequiturial.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:11 asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')

Framedragger: pretty healthy dynamic i suppose

mircea_popescu: this is periodically discussed in the logs, but i suppose pretty out there to grok.

ben_vulpes: forwarding is swiss cheese, i don't even think that's for sale

ben_vulpes: i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/ ☟︎

Framedragger: then i retract my previous snappy remark. ssh lol.

Framedragger: (i wonder if he tried just-ssh'ing, no autossh first. because he needs to answer "yes" to "trust this fingerprint?" prompt first, it seems. just that.)

Framedragger: some suggest to try with stock openssh server, to see if same happens. anyway, curious if sshd_config on your end has custom knobs (e.g. prefers one crypto format over another), but i guess the whole thing's a timesink

Framedragger: tbh that log snippet in that post (http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/), "evidently new ssh is needed altogether" reads a bit like "oh i need to generate ssh key for this to work? well fuck ssh, obvs it's a pos."

asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker' ☟︎

Framedragger: yeah, i understand.

Framedragger: i can see re. precedent tho.

asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour') ☟︎☟︎

Framedragger: i won't insist - you're right, we've already just had that chat on #b-a

Framedragger: ..which means that the latter should be dropped eventually, i guess (but then cue my question 'why not just work on trb-i if no compatibility with heathen prb network')

Framedragger: (i'm sure not an original idea at all)

Framedragger: i think it makes sense, thinking of the future, to eventually move to a model where there is no 'public trb node ip list'.

Framedragger: heh that's why for logging i proposed http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt which includes some 'hidden' nodes. but, fleanode and irc are leaky and the whole 'cloaking' thing is snakeoil.

Framedragger: aha, good stuff, i guess the point is that this kind of ddos is *easy*.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: in the old #bitcoin-assets days, there was a bot, that idled under (afaik still unknown) names, and would target ddostron (used vulnerable konsoomer router 'upnp' for udp amplification) at anyone who logged in without using fleanode's 'cloak' feature (i.e. had visible ip).

asciilifeform: i suspect -- deliberately.

asciilifeform: (i.e. victim's)

Framedragger: how do you amplify udp? i guess application-layer-specific stuff like bittorrent's uTP (which has some amplification vuln shit iirc), etc.; also, dns

Framedragger: (one day i'll dup up logs why tae fuck mircea_popescu allegedly filters out udp by default)

Framedragger: also, ip packets with custom proto number would (1) stand out more easily to enemy, and could be more easily filtered out (vs. udp header with rng-data within) - see how chinese firewall blocked tor bridges etc etc; and (2) i'm sure quite a few appliances would filter them out by default (like how they filter out icmp, etc.)

asciilifeform: if i did, i'd stuff whole thing into the kernel.

asciilifeform: no i don't want to throw away what little separation linux provides.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: can you not use raw sockets (with some kind of linux cap to allow program to open them without root), defining udp-like struct within? (i'm sure performance tuning may not be easy, i mean to achieve same level of optimisation as in kernel stack)

asciilifeform: ideally i wouldn't use udp per se, but udp-with-altered-protocol-number, per mircea_popescu's ancient idea

Framedragger: yes that i know, but you still gotta reserve things to parse things...

Framedragger: i'm sure it's less than that especially as you don't need to save state/session info

Framedragger: asciilifeform: hm, sure. (and i forgot about arbitrary RSTs by anyone in the path which destroy the session, heh.) do you know how the resource allocation compares to udp in a typical (say, linux kernel) networking stack?

Framedragger: (i guess "silently drop connections" (TCP DROP) from any non-whitelisted IP is one way around it, sorta.)

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ << Trilema - How I almost created a constellation of Bitcoin nodes

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 17:25 asciilifeform: ( https://blockchain.info/tx/5da9e054f81716ff54fefa10fae3c025685faf5170d1b270b3384a3406d781e0 << typical example of tx spamola, in recent few blox. and yes i'd rather link to mimisbrunnr but it does not seem to have linkable tx knob presently. )

mod6: ok. i think we've got something we can work with. :]

mod6: so yeah, something other than what I did is preferred (at least to me).

mod6: but having it set up as i just did in the above paste is unpressable in current vtronics.

trinque: I tend to have a couple trees pressed right next to each other, when testing a patch, when writing my own

trinque: make DEPS=/wherever/I/stick/it

trinque: this is the kind of thing I provided defaults for, like what your copy of your checksum proggie is

mod6: interestingly, i just tried moving 'bin', 'deps', and 'build' and all of their makefiles + a few small tweaks up ../../.. and was able to build.

mircea_popescu: i mean, wtf would it be, how'd he know what of his changes were kept in the first place

mod6: i just wanna be considerate before agreeing to this. i'll think on it.

ben_vulpes: "oh i took this priceless jewel and scribbled my name in it"

ben_vulpes: i ~never touch "pressed" source

ben_vulpes: warning and stopping doesn't really help, as i see it.

ben_vulpes: sorry. i'd rather it rip out the press target if it existed.

ben_vulpes: i'd rather it were transparently idempotent.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES. << agree. there obviously needs to be a check in there - if the press directory already exists, warn the user and stop. ☟︎

mod6: but I think now that we have the outside makefiles integrated and working well, maybe we can prune out those dirs and create them as needed? certainly worth looking into. certainly would be nice to get rid of those things finally

mircea_popescu: i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES.

mircea_popescu: makefile bs. alright, well, i guess we'll need a test for file exists or some such hair.

mircea_popescu: oh oh i remember now what this all was.

a111: Logged on 2015-09-24 00:25 mod6: <+phf> shinohai: you probably have rm_gitignore.patch applied, which removes .gitignore files from src/obj/nogui and nukes the folders along the way? << i said to disregard this patch. reason is, it wipes out output dirs required by the bitcoin makefile.

mod6: I'll pull some ...

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i could make that read 5k by pushing a switch. idiots have nfi, counting all the ips you feel like exposing.

mod6: Nice. I've got mine built too with 'wires'. Just need to get a minute to hook it up to alf's node.

mod6: Sounds like you got it compiled and working, for this, I'm glad.

pete_dushenski: aha i jumped it a bit

pete_dushenski: though i'm entirely open to the criticism that it's like sprinkling holy water on a dented can in the hopes that clostridium botulinum feels the wrath of my gods