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Framedragger: mircea_popescu: everything except sadmods so as not to upset phuctor too much. need to discuss frequency of caching with asciilifeform i think

BenBE: Framedragger: That's one of the resources I will be sourcing my Key Information service from. Contains the private keys for e.g. the OpenSSL Debian Weak Keys (complete)

Framedragger: unrelated to anything, i'm not sure if my deeding at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640468 worked, as it's not on deedbot.org - or did i misunderstand something? deedbot did say 'accepted: 1' ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i believe you might like it here.

mircea_popescu: yes, i do. see also http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ as companion reading.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 13:48 BenBE: I'm the maintainer of the GeSHi syntax highlighter for PHP, which is used in e.g. Wikipedia for source highlighting of articles. Also working on several crypto-related projects like my own TLS/SSL test, a collection of publicly-known set of compromised keys, an OpenSource management software for handling X.509 certificate issuance for a certificate authority.

BenBE: I'm the maintainer of the GeSHi syntax highlighter for PHP, which is used in e.g. Wikipedia for source highlighting of articles. Also working on several crypto-related projects like my own TLS/SSL test, a collection of publicly-known set of compromised keys, an OpenSource management software for handling X.509 certificate issuance for a certificate authority. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: well, hopefully this problem gets resolved by crap not making it into trb-i

Framedragger: ah yes i forgot what bitcoin uses lol.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 14:17 asciilifeform: if i had insisted, phuctor would still be a waited-for thing

Framedragger: i don't personally think it's a completely wasted effort if any backdoors in parameters are opened up to all, vs. just the owners.

mircea_popescu: seems if you were going after ecdsa you'd attack the curves not the keys. kind of a wasted effort seeing how the curve authors already know the holes and why the fuck would i bother when blacklisting works so well. but anyway.

BenBE: mircea_popescu: I planned on DSA/ECDSA, but that's quite low on the priority list right now. Attack on both works somewhat different and requires data collection not as easily obtained as with RSA.

mircea_popescu: shinohai first time i see it.

mircea_popescu: i guess could try and fish out the actual rsa keys from self-signed certs maybe

mircea_popescu: i thought it's a 100% imperial racket, they use whatever faux crypto currently fashionable.

mircea_popescu: i dun expect we're going to be doing anything but rsa because well... how ?

Framedragger: eh there was a plan for phuctor to ingest these certs, too, i think?

shinohai: I need to dig deeper into that, last attempt at removing the <> resulted in breaking the whole damned thing because python is a turd.

mircea_popescu: BenBE apparently x.509 is a john smithism, "here's a wrapper for reality i created because i'm from america and here we're retarded". what specifically do you mean, ecdsa ?

BenBE: Getting the keys from the website is possible, but needing to scrape them is somewhat a bad solution (for all sides). The project I'm currently working on is an information service where you can ask for a public key or its fingerprint and the service will tell you some stuff about that key (type, where it was used before, has it been factored, is it sensibly sane, compromised and so on.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 02:34 danielpbarron: shinohai, no i would not. might be adult swim bidding it up as a promo. On related note, wendy's fastfood chain is helping some highschool kid break world record retwats to promote their "chicken" nuggets. more than a million bots obliged in one day. goal is 18 million

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640583 << i imagine you have it. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640567 << i suppose in the end the ustards will be remembered as "a group of know-nothings with bad answers for every question". ☝︎

jurov: ben_vulpes: as they say - "moved networking to own thread. now i have two problems."

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/121F12879B4C8F09CB23FECFF93DCF183A83F2C5F51D2A841442F3066B30C343 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...3553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.37 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (het27.physics.ntua.gr. GR I)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/121F12879B4C8F09CB23FECFF93DCF183A83F2C5F51D2A841442F3066B30C343 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1492...7877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.37 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (het27.physics.ntua.gr. GR I)

ben_vulpes: so if i have a `std::map<ktype, std::vector<vtype>> stuffMap`, is it legal to say `stuffMap[k].push_back(newV)`

mircea_popescu: i was talking in general!

a111: Logged on 2017-04-08 21:17 phf: well, fwiw i've no idea if you can make clim non-ugly (i'm not even sure at this point what "ugly" means. you certainly can't trivially make it look the way "people come to expect")

mircea_popescu: but, get this. i ask for tea, girl promises in approximate spanish (do youspeak english ? nope. french ? nope.) that she'l;l show me. comes over with a bunch of early grey paper bags and cups of hot water.

ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/4nvPOF2.png for example is funny. i like the interbrand hostility.

ben_vulpes: not to the extent that i enjoy agent orange's, but every now and again i see a stack like http://imgur.com/gallery/yNlZI and get a few chuckles out of it

ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i enjoy the wendy's twitter

a111: Logged on 2017-04-08 17:37 Framedragger: certainly not worth your time. and i understand. just find this 'call thief by default' funny; but it's probably borne of experience, simply

mircea_popescu: sooo... i went to this russian bath/blinyi house for a... russian rock concer.

danielpbarron: shinohai, no i would not. might be adult swim bidding it up as a promo. On related note, wendy's fastfood chain is helping some highschool kid break world record retwats to promote their "chicken" nuggets. more than a million bots obliged in one day. goal is 18 million ☟︎

danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637510 << hah! this is because of the rick and morty season 3 premier. am I the only fan here? ☝︎

asciilifeform: i quite like the high-contrast pure b&w thing.

asciilifeform: the bolix screenshits, interestingly, i do not find ugly

ben_vulpes: phf: i would be happy to try living in either of those 'ui's

jurov: however, i personally have no issues with ugliness. i hate most if it opaquely monopolizes event loop (like qt) and then networking is a problem

phf: well, fwiw i've no idea if you can make clim non-ugly (i'm not even sure at this point what "ugly" means. you certainly can't trivially make it look the way "people come to expect") ☟︎

phf: there's a working purey xlib backend that uses very minimal decoration and server side font-rendering. i'm trying to figure out how to make it look like not-shit, without compromising the integrity

phf: jurov: kind of, in a roundabout way. i gave up on mcclim and that whole crowd last time they were mentioned here, but i'm slowly reviving allegro's clim2

phf: couldn't find it, but he was basically correct. after jumping through a lot of retarded hoops i got to run xquartz on a retina mac at 1-to-1 pixel, and pretty much any of the type1 fonts at 230 or so look quite good

phf: i was trying to find tuomov's rant from 2007 or so (the guy behind Ion) where he basically said that anti-aliasing is a kludge, and we won't even need it once the dpi is high enough

shinohai: To be fair I did buy several bricks of Bustelo with BTC once, but hardly a cup.

Framedragger: (daaamn, i screwed up with cron.)

Framedragger: wtf. i'll beat myself with a crontab manual, then

Framedragger: so the 1min crawls, just to confirm - they were older, right? i did start with 1min on thursday; then turned it off on request; then re-enabled once/30min for stats page, once/60min for phuctored and once/60min for dupes.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: script log says the attempts are at the right frequency: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rUTs3/?raw=true - but i'm turning off these two now, for the time being.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: still wget'ing every minute? the 1min frequency was the initial frequency which i had promptly changed at timestamp http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638989 ☝︎

Framedragger: how the fuck did i screw this up. crontab is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mYvHM/?raw=true

Framedragger: (i had changed it to 30min for index stats page)

asciilifeform: i thought i oughta ask before i blackhole the entire subnet.

Framedragger: certainly not worth your time. and i understand. just find this 'call thief by default' funny; but it's probably borne of experience, simply ☟︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: tbh i don't actually give enough of a shit to try to cut apart the ball of yarn in shitlang -- what part stolen, when, from which logs ( our discussion of block/tx storage has been running for ages )

Framedragger: (also, my mp-emulator is saying "why do you spend energy challenging these and not challenging the empire", and my response is that i don't give the privilege to the empire of even *challenging* their shit; they're not worth it imho. this all just to say that take it easy)

Framedragger: you could of course say that 'git doesnt prove anything', and i'll have to agree. but if you allow that, then it's reasonable to say that 'unsigned irc logs dont prove anything, either', from the point of view of the counterparty. i won't say more, only that this 'thief!!' is very unconvincing

Framedragger: from what i take it, 'spent tree' is the relevant notion here. tell me if i'm wrong tho (very much could be). but if i'm not, then - 22 dec 2016: https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/commit/ac4f4eb12c7a202a3971f782f92b741431ff75ed (and commits thereafter).

Framedragger: i see that part of the related turd is here (5 march): https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/commit/01001d9f6033426624fba570da437a0a316993c0

asciilifeform: so far i see a shitoshi block format parser

Framedragger: i'm curious, what do you mean by 'now'?

Framedragger: trinque: does `!!deed` work when issued over privmsg? i just did that and then realised that may it's not supposed to work that way?

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 22:15 trinque: by the nato precedent set by turkey, I'd expect russia can down an american plane or two without risking a nuclear exchange, eh?

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 17:31 danielpbarron: i can do an unboxing video or something. i have 5.5 through 5.8 in original sealed packaging

pete_dushenski: cheapest kg i'm seeing is cad$20+40 for shipping = cad$60

ben_vulpes: honestly i'll be surprised if it compiles

pete_dushenski: "Well I was a major miner for over two years and I lost out because other people had a lower CoC. I had to say goodbye to a business that I built from the ground up. I’m not calling fowl play and throwing my toys out of the pram. Its called business and its what enables people to invest in bitcoin." ~sam cole (tm). so fowl. so chicken. cluck cluck!

ben_vulpes: i'm not going to crack a web browser when the bot's right there

ben_vulpes: i was hoping for a bait reimplementation

trinque: by the nato precedent set by turkey, I'd expect russia can down an american plane or two without risking a nuclear exchange, eh? ☟︎

pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: only 'domestic' i'd touch is f-150. new citroen 'h van' is my kinda plastic though. frp. tres retrocool aussi.

trinque: mircea_popescu: reads block nobody, never block. I understand the where clause of an insert statement to be a condition on a read query that gets fed into a write, just as my "common table expressions" ('with' keyword) feed into each other.

mircea_popescu: suppose S = "insert if not exists where a = b" prototype. suppose S takes time T composed of ti for the insert and tw for the where clause. Suppose thjere's 5 concurrent S presented to db, S1..S5. are you saying that IN NO CASE will Sn wait for a Twi where i != n ?

trinque: if you and I are trying to update the same table your update may block until after mine

mircea_popescu: i am not advanced enough for this

trinque: reminds me I gotta buy the HD screws for g5 cheese-grater

asciilifeform: i've had it hang on other occasions, never found out why.

asciilifeform: not i

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:11 Framedragger: alright. i will grant you that the end system wouldn't be "oh so elegantly simple", because you would have to have a submission queue (maybe something that trinque had in mind). user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue. under normal loads, the insertion happens ~immediately,

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done". ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. one where 1) they cost less than the retail model 2) linearly less with quantity

Framedragger: yeah i understand :/

asciilifeform: Framedragger: as it is i have here a crate of 20 modulized ones. but strictly for experiments.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i never found a bulk souce of the ~old~ one

BingoBoingo: <jurov> coinbr public announcement: there are some stuck orders, and it came at worst possible time. During the weekend I should be able to fix. << Have some thank you cake https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/bd/cd/db/bdcddbf71f1966610be20506b082eb61.jpg

phf: i'm weary of things that require Wasp lifestyle though, can be done, good to be able to do it, but it's not something you can bootstrap from normal state

phf: well, they didn't print this simple fact in "young electronic" so i wouldn't know, i like the idea of msec bursts though

mircea_popescu: if it "obeys the law" i pointedly don't want it, and FOR THAT REASON.

phf: i was excited about scuttlebutt for couple of minutes. usually hacks that come out of "digital nomad" circles are at least worth looking at since they have a lot of uncommon requirements built in (must work over 14.4 dialup, etc.). until i realized it's written in javascript by a hacker with "200 packages in npm"

asciilifeform: do i have to read this ?

mircea_popescu: i find wordplay a fine substitute for competent engineering. it betrays such a wordliness in the cunning linguist responsible.

ben_vulpes: no i snipped dat cord

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i find it's very important to establish aforehand what each barbie doll will wear, do or say at the dollhouse teaparty.

asciilifeform: i asked the fella who sent me the link, 'how does this beat irc?' and answered, 'but it has LOGS!'

Framedragger: yeah i can see that

mircea_popescu: i would characterise it as "they got confused on their own terminology and backported orphan chains into the story"

Framedragger: i just decide to go with the other path.