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asciilifeform looks on dulap-III, 'up 210 days' -- i.e. ever since i taught BingoBoingo how to not elbow the mains plug
trinque: haven't a damned at the present. I'm just going to redeploy the thing clean elsewhere.
trinque: looks like the migration to pizarro happens tonight for the bot.
trinque: aaand fighting with the DC about wtf is going on with the deedbot machine.
mircea_popescu: y -- idiots had "encrypted" their logfiles by xoring the csv with your username)
mircea_popescu: and in forgotten keks, https://yahoomessenger.tumblr.com/ ("Yahoo Messenger has had an amazing run. Over its twenty years, Yahoo Messenger introduced hundreds of millions of people to the joys of just the right emoticon for the moment (aka emojis)."). this is the ~sum total of what they think they "contributed", an altogether not incorrect assumption (though "early lulzy deployment of caesar ciphers is what stands in my memor
mircea_popescu: what portion of teh 25% drop in bitcoin value in fiat have you managed to capture as notional pizarro stock appreciation ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:39 asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873712 << but neveryoumind that. the drop in bitcoin is where pizarro shines, right ? because in between http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-24#457609 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825184 on one hand and wisely deploying http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445680 and so on has resulted in significant bitcoin appreciation of pizarro stock, right ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
trinque: I can. The box is also in singapore, not known for its perfect internet connections
mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious. ☟︎
trinque: lol, he's planning to compete with transunion! get him!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 21:59 trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning
trinque: hm nah, box has been up for 32 minutes. this is dc fuckery.
trinque: asciilifeform: "disconnected by services" would appear to be freenode doing it
mircea_popescu: suffices it for trilema to quote a verse, be it howsoever famous or popular...
mircea_popescu: aaand in today's lulz... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Vecine...+nu-nteleg%2C+straine...+nu-nteleg+ce+aveti+cu+mine...&t=ffsb&ia=web
mircea_popescu: the way british empire intervention worked was that http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/ got sent with some army and clear orders to not take singh ; then he takes singh ; then some "british merchants" are invented whose "interests were being protected", retroactively. then all this is published back home in the times, and then the empire croaks under the weight of trying to administer afghanistan.
asciilifeform: i dun know the specifics; supposing simply that retired boxer aint gonna run a node. therefore goxism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense of what, after usg took overt the piggy it declared some clients as principal victims ?
asciilifeform: i.e. 'their' coinz are 'theirs' while 'they agree' to further reich interest
mircea_popescu: i'm personally waiting for the return of the meni rosenfeld / jonathan ryan owens lulzpair. bitdaytrade, segwit, cash-whatever... what the fuck's the difference.
asciilifeform: iirc those boxers were some hybrid of scammer and scammee , they sank whatever $maxint into goxolade
asciilifeform: last i heard those were still 'in biz'
mircea_popescu: then again, the menagerie's pretty well stocked... recall the gay for pay tard with delusions of oligarchy ? or those two wrestler morons, 100% retired boxer encephalopathy ?
asciilifeform: 2nd only to gavin, possibly
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, it's pretty fucking lulzy though. i mean, there's a long list of these defeateds by "fate", but he's one of the most hysterically humiliated humbugs. ☟︎
asciilifeform: apparently recycled back into circulation from lack of what else to do ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 02:12 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873721 << ha , here i was thinking that d00d were finally in australian jail.. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( apparently game did not die under the thrust of alphagoism, but mutated into a kind of motor sport )
asciilifeform: laugh, i ended up giving it to my brother, now it runs neuralnetwork thing for go game move-tree variants, 'what if played x' etc
asciilifeform went as far as building a new box, with 3d card etc, to 'i'ma finally play that thing', then... realized he gotta write a numeric lib
asciilifeform dun presently have time, sadly , to play mud, but if lives to see peacetime would much rather play mircea_popescu's than anybody's
mircea_popescu: drop-in replacement for teh dmc ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:43 asciilifeform: maybe in the end entire planet will end up as vertically-integrated suppliers for s.mg...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873714 << that'd be partricularly cool, considering it is a... virtual reality producer ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:22 trinque croaks cheeeeeap coiiiins
mircea_popescu: certainly well adapted to each opther, problem and solution. v is masterful at truth and accounting is all about numeric truth. so yes, in principle. but it'll take some doing, dunno if you've got the doers rightnao, and seems more pressing fires.
mircea_popescu: or i suppose construction crew better example. if you issue them pickaxes, you can at the end of the day look at damage "as men with pickaxes could have produced". if you issue backhoe...
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is right, esp re 'dun have domain-restricted walker', tech aint there yet
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:10 ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
mircea_popescu: kinda the logic informing my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871164 : if you give policeman gun, you now have set of problems resulting from policeman-gun interaction. if you do not give, you do not have. ☝︎
asciilifeform: also tru
asciilifeform: whether the item being recorded is elephant or mouse size
asciilifeform: but that vtronic record would make certain classes of ugh, impossible
asciilifeform: point was not 'it's too big'
mircea_popescu: seems to me way too much infrastructure for what's still less than a dozen accts with less than a dozen movements / interval in there. but hey, your corp, can't exactly say you don't learn from mistakes, so, if in a position to try things out this is a thing to try like many others.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin was changed 'inside' on my watch, but seems like there were arithmetical howler at some pt, so i suppose effectively same
mircea_popescu: judging by how unsure all participants are as to contents, it seems evident to me it worked exactly like github program, ie "crapola glommed to end erry day and random shit changed deeper inside at impredictable intervals we might remember or not".
mircea_popescu: at least most of the time.
asciilifeform: i.e. crapola glommed to end erry day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was linear tape of changes.
mircea_popescu: you did this. /smh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz lemme know btw if you need any inout from asciilifeform to clean those ughstables
mircea_popescu: tarball passed back and forth, nobody even knows what changed, gotta diff, it has all the blessings you describe.
asciilifeform: aa that was much worse
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 06:36 BingoBoingo: Kinda why I'm excited about breaking down and killing the legacy notes file
asciilifeform: ( btw these are imho a luxury. i simply hate having to click 9000 links to get a tree , and assume other folx do also )
asciilifeform: i did sign a tarball fulla regrindolade last wk. but largely so folx know they get what i put in, rather than ball fulla patches + usg gnutar 0day impregnated in flight etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:41 asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:24 asciilifeform: ( and if you extend on one such, and want to propagate into the others, then must regrind -- but strictly the piece in question )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873669 << why, could just patch the others. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why ty!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 20:46 bvt: otoh, if system call asm packages are at the tree foundation, the api uniformity will be enforced by convetion only, and the branches will diverge right after genesis.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873632 << i confess i entirely dun understand what you think a vtree is/does. none of your statements seem to be either relevant or correct, which... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873621 << ohohoh check it out, he translated it & made reference point. NICE! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?! ☟︎
trinque still accumulates when the weather's nice
asciilifeform: ( and woe be unto those who dun have what to supply to it.. )
asciilifeform: maybe in the end entire planet will end up as vertically-integrated suppliers for s.mg... ☟︎
asciilifeform: even if exch rate moves 2 orders of magnitude erry other tuesday
asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'volatility is a tax' or how did mircea_popescu phrase it in the old days.
asciilifeform: trinque: i admit that i sometimes miss the days when the amt of shit i gave re what the heathen exch rate is, was the size of a hamster's . pizarro is the 1 bone in throat on that score, it runs on heathenbux and consequently sensitive to the weather, like a bad knee
bvt: thanks for discusion, asciilifeform, diana_coman. i'm off to bed.
asciilifeform: bvt: you will find, i think, that with experience comes 'ooooh, that's why, it was Right Thing all along'
bvt: i do understand the philosophy behind v (definitely not complaining), but i lack practical experience working with it, so it was useful to get explanations re tree structure.
asciilifeform: given as i'd have to release N almost-completely-identical patches each time i release a chapter
asciilifeform: and reader would be stuck manually diffing'em, which defeats most of the win from using v vs signed tars etc
asciilifeform: if i had offered them in beginning, the architecture-specific pressable leaves will be gargantuan in size
asciilifeform: this is the reason why asciilifeform is saving the optional asm subroutines in ffa for ~dead last~ ( per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 proclamation ) rather than given in beginning of series
asciilifeform: it forced you to proclaim that the 6 are in fact new programs, because you turned a common knob and potentially changed their meanings, of all 6
asciilifeform: and yes it is true that if you write 6 platform variants today, and want to change the common trunk tomorrow, you will need to regrind all 6. but this is 'not a bug, but a feature'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:03 asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873686 << this part is crystally clear ☝︎
bvt: but i see how this is the correct process, and just a bit more optimized case of what i planned with branches diverging at the genesis (saves reader some labour of reading same vpatches in each branch). and if tree becomes to messy, can regrind.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:42 diana_coman: bvt> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873650 << well, if i do common part (api) first, then diverging system-specific branches, i still could add new functionality on top of *each* of these branches. i don't like this option. -> perhaps unsurprisingly, the part that one doesn't like is however actually correct i.e. yes, you'll have to maintain the two separately if they are separate; hence my original "they are 2 trees" - because that's
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873678 << what i did not like was following: specifically going for 'api at the tree root' variant, and then bolting on new (platform-independent) apis later. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the fact that it feels to noobs like 'unnatural acrobatics' is an artifact of writer suddenly having to pay that actual cost of the complexity inflicted on reader. and yes folx whined, just like in ex-ussr folx whined when they started having to pay for mains current . ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either ☟︎
asciilifeform: v is just about exactly same thing as bitcoin's chain, with the difference that it seals with manually-crafted operator signatures, rather than 'proof of work' gymnastics
asciilifeform: bvt: it's in fact exactly the same thing that e.g. bitcoin does -- you cannot go back and flip a bit in block 100, and expect to be on the same chain as other folx, it'll correctly invalidate 101--present from your node's pov ( and your entire existence from other's pov )
asciilifeform: to put it in mircea_popescuine terminology -- the scenario that v makes specifically and rightfully impossible is 'hey, i changed 'wife' to 'dog' in your marriage contract, but yer still just as married, you signed all the downstreams'
asciilifeform: if it is an item which conceivably affects the meaning of other text in unpredictable ways, then the patch must reflect this ( and we get 'reground' code. )
diana_coman: what they are anyway, until/unless you cement the API
diana_coman: bvt> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873650 << well, if i do common part (api) first, then diverging system-specific branches, i still could add new functionality on top of *each* of these branches. i don't like this option. -> perhaps unsurprisingly, the part that one doesn't like is however actually correct i.e. yes, you'll have to maintain the two separately if they are separate; hence my original "they are 2 trees" - because that's ☝︎☟︎