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mats: and a special thanks to phf for his great www logger! i use it every other day
asciilifeform: phf , amberglint, et al ^
asciilifeform: fwiw i gave orig vtron, 'v.py' , 100. it's on 97 (phf's revision) and when i get around to massaging it, i suppose will be 96, and i dunsee why to touch it again after that..
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch. 14b into http://btcbase.org/patches , ty !
mircea_popescu: billymg are you using phf's latest ?
trinque: once off that, I might see about ebuilding trb (with perhaps phf's v+portage work if it surfaces), and then mircea_popescu's gns v-tree, unless gpg replacement surfaces soon, in which case deedbot->peh work
billymg: hi all, this past week i've been able to take advantage of the holiday vacation time to get a local workbench set up. i now have a proper gnat so was able to build phf's vdiff. i also have my blog running locally which makes it a lot easier to work on and test changes
asciilifeform: iirc phf described the ru variant, with their clone of '2600 magazine' etc
a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 10:28 phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882924 << 26Nov-2Dec 54450, 3Dec-9Dec 24809, 10Dec-16Dec 31298 with breakdown http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afho0/?raw=true i had word count code laying around not wired, it now sits in the stat bar at the top as the (running) word count for the day. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882726 << added
asciilifeform: phf: i've also bought a period (msdos-powered!) paltron, will attempt reading the original pals this wk
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 11:56 phf: asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface
asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881347 >> wish granted! >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883032 , and i'ma post moar this wk ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: guten morgen, diana_coman phf
diana_coman: phf, thank you!
a111: Logged on 2018-12-22 17:25 diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46
a111: Logged on 2018-12-24 15:58 diana_coman: phf, would it be a big bother to get for me the number of words in the logs for the weeks 26Nov-2Dec, 3Dec-9Dec, 10Dec-16Dec 2018? It's more to satisfy my curiosity on whether the relative sizes match the variation in size of my summaries for those weeks or not.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:51 phf: asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter
diana_coman: phf, would it be a big bother to get for me the number of words in the logs for the weeks 26Nov-2Dec, 3Dec-9Dec, 10Dec-16Dec 2018? It's more to satisfy my curiosity on whether the relative sizes match the variation in size of my summaries for those weeks or not. ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they know it works (as it evidently does, phf wasn't even born there i have to point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 ) and so they want every last indian in some remote hunting lodge somewhere to have at least one blanket. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:51 mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 phf: so i'm not trusted at all?
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:59 asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:49 phf: asciilifeform: fwiw i didn't ignore your point. i don't trust you with this stuff, and not because you're not trustworthy, but because you refuse to be discreet when asked to be. and again since this will be misconstrued, i'm not saying keep things secret, i was specifically asking you to _quitely_ use the products of my work.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882279 << this is 1 reason why the discussion is moar than about a piece of pot shard from archaeo-dig . does phf trust asciilifeform's oath as a lord ? if not, really he oughta update rating of asciilifeform ! and if yes, then i dun see why to dangle 'next week, next week' in front of asciilifeform for yr+ and never show any dirt, large, small. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:28 phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882282 << as i understand, on reread of thrd, there are no fewer than ~3~ bags of lulz : 1 is last yr's, which phf described as entirely useless in the end, and i'ma believe. another is this yr's, which hasn't been combed yet. and the third is the 'putative' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882266 . ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: also said, later, that won;t. but phf chooses to ignore.
mircea_popescu: phf you want to say "if i can't discriminate then why am i lord", then you turn around and it's "either i have something or i don't have something." well, discriminate, which is it ?
asciilifeform: phf: thus far seems to resemble more the conflict over the alien crud depicted in 'roadside picnic'
mircea_popescu: phf i never heard of scavenger taking the loving tack to the quarry. usually scavenger sounds like alf sounds.
mircea_popescu: phf this whole "i care about the relationship for the stuff it can produce" is very like what proust'd said.
asciilifeform: phf: mircea_popescu and asciilifeform appearently differ on this pt
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:32 phf: that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on
mircea_popescu: phf did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882093 ever get answered then ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:09 phf: you're constantly in logs, confused as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
trinque doesn't mean in phf's direction either!
trinque: you know, like that time trinque and phf got into it, and probably would've wised up pages back if but for a friendly thrown fist
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, phf i'ma leave thread alone for today and give folx time to cool .
asciilifeform: phf: i dun make tall claim of success for mine. but it ~published something~
asciilifeform: phf: wouldja care to clarify exactly what is your goal in re bolixology ?
asciilifeform: if phf's thought is 'i can't trust this maniac not to lie and then post whole thing on ftp, killing kat the radio gurl' i'd like to hear this said in the open.
asciilifeform: but i'd specifically like to know if phf ~doesnt~ trust, and i wont cry if phf rates accordingly
asciilifeform: this, phf gotta decide for himself
asciilifeform: phf: elaborate plz re how asciilifeform's effort 'compromises what i'm trying to do'
asciilifeform: phf: my reaction , thus far, is strictly to the not-getting of the selfsame offeredstuff.
asciilifeform: phf: it aint my intention to 'abuse' , but try just 1nce to picture yerself in my pos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: appreciate, asciilifeform would like to avoid 'infection' with the sort of oath phf apparently took with his source
mircea_popescu: could for the same money have "hey phf-- i know i said so and so in the past, but truth be told now i got these chips and i'd like to get some work done, so how about..."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu i'll be entirely happy if i learn that i dun actually disagree with phf .
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:04 asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
asciilifeform: i'm not at all averse to handling the matter in such a way that it preserves phf's source. keeping in mind the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881979 caveat. ☝︎
asciilifeform: why, phf ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf only today elaborated re his behind-nazi-lines informant
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp as-is.
mircea_popescu: so basically, the facts of the matter is, "at some point in the distant-er than month but closer than decade past", phf wanted to tell you some things and you took a hard line "just dump the thing", which he didn't want to do. then recently, having bought some parts and being less theoretically and more practically minded, you revised your stance ~in your own mind~ to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881964 and so on, but n ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf plox to lemme know if any part of asciilifeform's pos is unclear.
asciilifeform: fwiw i have nfi what sorta danger could justify the 'yellowdots' phobia here, i'm stuck taking phf's word
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:30 asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots.
asciilifeform: 'hey phf, canhaz pinout nao ?' 'busy this weekend, how about next month' 'hey phf, been 6 weeks, i have to bother but canhaz pinout?' 'i'm moving flats, ask again in 2k' 'hey phf...'
asciilifeform: as evident from interaction w/ phf for past 13mo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to summarize : if phf decides to Do Right Thing and gpg to asciilifeform the goods, then i'ma eat'em and whatever public output will not reveal his informant.
asciilifeform: so will be clear from what phf's next move.
mircea_popescu: so now. is the case as you publicly present it, "phf has been not helping for year +" or is the case as he publicly presents it, "i tried to help a year ago but granularity didn't match and then he went on a campaign of fuming about whisperers ''in general'' transparently in reference to the particuylar case and i was stuck sitting and listening to it."
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:58 phf: asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about the dump in the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet", i've attempted to communicate to you that further value can be extracted from that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction to that was to start talking about whisperers etc. and then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
asciilifeform: phf: i regret to insult phf . but try to appreciate asciilifeform's position: dug in the dirt since '07 and the only clues dug up were with not only no help from anyone, but in spite of vigorous stonewalling from entire 'komyooniti'
asciilifeform: ( aside from possibly phf )
asciilifeform: phf: i'm taking on faith, that you have an intel lead hangin' somewhere
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
asciilifeform: phf: i'm willing to believe that you have > 0 , even. but how about some output , pleez ?
asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i dun like to take word for it, no.
asciilifeform: phf: if i'm wrong, i'd very much like the hypothesis 'but if only phf had brought the goods' not to lay on the table re why wrong.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
asciilifeform still hopes to see phf Do The Right Thing
asciilifeform: this in re asciilifeform's pov or phf
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
asciilifeform: phf: i aint even asking 'gimme nao', but why not pick a date .
asciilifeform: phf: what am i missing ?
asciilifeform: by phf's earlier admission, 99+% of the stash is 36xxism. then can haz the remaining page ?
asciilifeform: phf: relax, i aint in hurry. but i'd ~really~ like not to have to have same thead yr from nao.
asciilifeform: i'm even inclined to believe when phf says 'i'm gathering intel, from skittish source'. but there comes a time to act on the intel.
asciilifeform: what then should i understand as the 'operation' phf fears 'fuck up' by giving up docs ?
asciilifeform: phf: i'm inclined to believe
asciilifeform: phf: i was under impression that there were missing instructions
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma defo refer to the emulator when baking fpga clone, it has plenty of useful info re the instruction set
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
asciilifeform: phf: thus far i cannot comment on your methods, given that they do not apparently include publishing anyffing bolix-related openly.
asciilifeform: phf: try to picture yerself in that position.
asciilifeform: i dun have anyffing against phf , as such. i even forgave him the ~year of life i burned on cutting 'snap4' apart in 'ida' while phf knew where the sores was.
asciilifeform: phf: sure. but appreciate asciilifeform's position. asciilifeform was expecting to see dirt yr+ ago.
asciilifeform: phf: why do you think that any of it is entirely irrelevant ?
asciilifeform: and i'd like to answer the larger q of whether phf even wants to see asciilifeform's thrust succeed.
asciilifeform: phf: can haz hard bound for when i see anyffing ? cuz it was 'next weekend' 1yr+ ago.
asciilifeform: consider how many folx previously went like phf, 'i'ma do it under me pillow lest it fuck up operation'
asciilifeform: phf: what part of your effort is public ? ( or would publishing 'fuck up operation', lol )
asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not ☟︎
asciilifeform: if phf asks 'ok, but dun post the yellowdotted jpegs' i won't
asciilifeform: phf: i aint in particular hurry ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , who wants to emphasize the imho important larger point ). i won't even have time to properly touch the thing until finished ffa. but plz consider what i suggested today.
asciilifeform: i do not know if phf's treasure chest could've spared me sending for the whole box, but it's conceivable