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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with << I run a bitcoind linked against libressl 2.5.5 and so far it hasn't forked ☟︎
asciilifeform: thing still displays entire coadbase, so i'd still much rather have it, than nuffin at all. but it is frustrating.
asciilifeform: and so inlined routines occasionally end up invisible to it
asciilifeform: i presently suspect that this is because gnathtml uses gcc's AST for the input data, rather than the raw proggy text ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( it is certainly indexed in the place where it lives -- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/fz_basic__adb.htm#72_13 -- but for some reason not in ffa_calc__adb... )
asciilifeform: ( e.g. in above example -- FFA_FZ_Get_Head is not linkable, and several hrs of dig failed to tell me why )
asciilifeform: it also mysteriously fails to concord the occasional symbol
asciilifeform: gnathtml has some pretty serious missing parts tho, mainly that it is impossible to link to individual lines of proggy unless they contain concordance'd symbols
asciilifeform: still mighty useful. ( presently i'm continuing with the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa_calc__adb.htm thing, to fill that niche )
phf: yeah and btcbase is not there yet
asciilifeform: so i ended up getting hung up on the coad-eating logics
asciilifeform: i was aiming for a kind of hybrid of jurov's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=makefiles and what phf has today
asciilifeform intended to release a thing somewhat like it with the orig 2015 vtron, but asciilifeform's wwwtronics was not equal to the task, never made a usable incarnation of item
phf: it has a backlog of love also, one thing that i want to wire next is a search for a keyword, gives back a list of patches of a list of files that match. i implemented it already, but haven't wired it in
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is very very fond of phf's http://btcbase.org/patches , refers to it several times just about erry day
phf: i'm not particularly keen on the whole archivist aspect of it, these are curated live artifacts, no need to be too pedantic with them
phf: asciilifeform: i ended up dumping one of them since they are bitwise identical
asciilifeform: phf: imho the correct thing to do, if you have 2 bitwise-identical patches , is to display only 1 ( i'd prefer it be the one using my naming scheme, given as it is my proj, but i also won't cry if it's the other ) -- and the sigs that match it ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( so long as the sigs validate and hashes line up, names are immaterial )
asciilifeform: phf's mechanism did The Right Thing tho, a++, ty phf
phf: borrow expr, ah i see what happened you renamed it to .kv from diana_coman's original
asciilifeform: which patch did it say picked up, that was already there ?
asciilifeform: phf: loox correct, to naked eye
phf: asciilifeform: done, can you please check that it's correct, i'm doing it from console only linux and my update function said it picked up a patch, that i thought was already there..
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 02:46 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
phf: trinque: i'll pull it out, right after my move. flight's only few days away, and i'm only half way through gutting the apartment.
phf: i also have another approach, with V_PATCHES=[('http://.../foo.vpatch', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.first.sig', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.another.sig'),...] where ebuild basically keeps explicit press order, but can also rely on emerge for pulling the files from remote. none of it is particularly satisfying
trinque: emerge's last act oughta be its own brain transplant.
trinque: phf: sounds awesome, would like to eyeball it
phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction.. ☟︎
trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us" ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( given a musltronic cuntoo, the 'rotor'-descended buildroot process for trb is theoretically redundant )
trinque: asciilifeform: right, that's one reason for keeping an ssltron for now
trinque: long term the "bootstrap.sh" will be converted to an installer which presumes an existing working cuntoo, and that installer will come as an ebuild vpatch atop genesis
asciilifeform: will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with ☟︎
trinque: and the plan is indeed to get ave1's in, and I invite him to write the ebuild. the point of what I released is to preserve the found item, can now start changing it ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether anybody's tried building straight with ave1's
trinque: asciilifeform: we had a thread on the stepping down before, jumping directly to 4.9.4 does not work on musl. not a clue why.
asciilifeform: ( i thought plan was to roll in ave1's gcc ? )
asciilifeform: trinque: how come 'two GCC versions to step through before arriving at 4.9.4' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma test-fire in the next coupla days
trinque: ^ I'll go over this with a caffeinated brain later, but wanted to get the thing into hands immediately. Let me know if you reproduce my genesis.vpatch folks.
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/ << trinque - Cuntoo Bootstrapper
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 19:32 asciilifeform: ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none ☝︎☟︎☟︎
trinque: you know, talking to people, not being radio dark for months, that sort of thing.
trinque: spyked: point is a simple "hey trinque, lets make the swap at $date, and get the PM subscriptions ported over meanwhile" ☟︎
spyked: ftr, feedbot also sends republican rss in castle #spyked, for potentially interested testers.
spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign). ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874742 <-- oops, apologies for the trouble. this makes perfect sense, my initial impression was that trinque was eager to get rid of the rss piece in deedbot, but some sort of transition seems reasonable. ☝︎
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=92 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/11/2018
trinque: appears to be the culmination of many different threads, vtronic www, vtronic portage, much else.
asciilifeform: the foot thread
mircea_popescu: is this gabriel laddel ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in old thread lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739725 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: just as "how do you think your life would go if you may not use furniture" and such wonders.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to put pants on in chains tho :D
trinque imagines a circus act where person-of-walmart is brought out in chains, made to attempt pants, abused by onlookers as they fail.
mircea_popescu: pretty complicated garment, if you think about it.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder anyone manages to wear pants.
BingoBoingo: Filtering the ocean for gold
mircea_popescu: merely wondering "hm, i wonder wtf?!" is already ~one in a thousand~. these aren't invented numbers, this isn't a manner of speech. two in 2184.
mircea_popescu: question i guess very similar to "how can anyone read algebra I and stop there".
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can anyone read that ~and stop there~ ? and yet, they can. they do.
BingoBoingo: Also hard to discern in douchebag a desire to learn or indication he understood having other languages is a good thing
asciilifeform: ( 19yo kiddo with typical ameri-schooling )
asciilifeform: iirc douchebag admitted that not
mircea_popescu: i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
BingoBoingo: fat nigglet takes more paperwork to get rid of
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's differences i'm sure, if nothing else the tag strings differ. but i fail to see any comparably important to the similarities, and so it goes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with ballas' point that "independent consultants" getting inca's various programs going are exactly like company men but without dental ?
asciilifeform: but again have nfi what troo and what fiction
mircea_popescu: (and yes, eminently "wife" in usg.zone is the above, whether you call it "divorce settlement" or anything else.)
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall kako bragging that he's just about блатной , never worked a lick for inca
mircea_popescu: to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: makes sense ( tho i have nfi whether applies to orig d00d or not )
asciilifeform: if it cannot be sold at all, as in you'd have to pay someone to take it, then analogous to radwaste
mircea_popescu: and this strictly and necessarily means, worthless.
mircea_popescu: not at all. the issue with "girlfriends" as understood by idiots is that they can ~not~ be sold.
mircea_popescu: you think it can't be sold ?
asciilifeform: betcha flea market would pay a penny to the buck for it, vs what it cost to bake
asciilifeform: is the spiffy body-fitting suit mircea_popescu is sitting in, also 'insane' ?
mircea_popescu: insanity is worthless other than to owner, a calc over how sin is meaningless except to the sinner.
asciilifeform: worthless other than to owner
mircea_popescu: because if it's not liquid AT ALL, in the blender-can't-liquify-cookie, it's necessarily worthless, by the very definition of terms.
asciilifeform: just about 100% of the gear asciilifeform is sitting in the middle of, from the lenses in his specs to the 400kg of elaborate space heater, prolly wouldn't fetch moar than weight in scrap iron in junkyard
mircea_popescu: liquid in the sense of "to an arbitrary degree" or liquid in the sense of "at all" ?
asciilifeform: dunno that errything valuable is liquid
mircea_popescu: it's no way to live, to my eyes, but then again.)
mircea_popescu: and obviously the situation where one's woman can't be freely sold are situations of girlie, ~0 value.
asciilifeform: hm is that what he had
mircea_popescu: (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
asciilifeform: ok nao i cannot resist to ask -- what is a 'fractional girlfriend'
asciilifeform: in usa they have a local historic character, gen. benedict arnold, roughly same household word for 'betrayal' as e.g. vidkun quisling in old world ( and for same reason, was a reasonably passing hero before flipped sign bit )
mircea_popescu: i've no idea there's that difference. two young males, fractional girlfriend of ~0 value, living with parents, aspiring to business...
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 21:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:58 mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875018 << i dun see that they're instances of same item tho -- 1 was dumb http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874979 kid, other was a - quite clever enuff - bought an' paid-for pantsuit mole ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: and the bar to what it takes to ~not~ be directly approximabloe by bag of lettered dice raises over time, too!