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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't you love how
this here
tmsr eventually uses all your ruins ?
mircea_popescu: i'd have
thought with all
the lisp fans it'd have spurned some fermentation.
phf: mircea_popescu: i did, i believe
the reaction at
the
time was "let's see what'll come out of it", nothing came out of it
though: cl-bitcoin in it's half baked state is using cffi
to openssl
mircea_popescu: bug free, fast enough, etc. not like we're pressed by anything here, not like
trb ceases
to exist while we cut its guts open and so on.
mircea_popescu: phf need i
tell you how cool'd it have been had you said
this 2016 rather
than 2018 ?
phf: asciilifeform: apropos i've attempted
two years ago
to do a rewrite for my cl-bitcoin, got bogged down in group
theory, at
this point still
trying
to power
through an "introduction
to group
theory"
text book.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ffa majorily useful, and no, not necessarily against writing for it. but
there may be a
timing issue (trb
that
takes > minute
to check block is useless)
mircea_popescu: we made our own keccak, we made our own serpent, you made / are making our own rsa --
time for our own ecc.
mircea_popescu: ideally, with as little re-factoring of
trb components as possible.
mircea_popescu: see ?
there's immense benefits
to "exchange dropped!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at
this point, it's irrelevant.
there's ~10 bucks of kentucky happy meals on
the putative "other networks".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform constant
time is a d) in
that scheme.
though i guess c-d may well package.
mircea_popescu: but yes, as far as
trb work is concerned, a)
taking off
the bulidroot process because b) move it
to cuntoo and also c) replace ssl dependency with one file, <1k loc are
the priorities.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 19:39 mircea_popescu: it's
the currency of
the republic, you're so surprises it follows
the flow and ebb of
the very republic in question ?
mircea_popescu: certainly no
tolerance of "i'm waiting on fondling for
the fuck
to get here"
mircea_popescu: there's 0 pressure
to "put everything in first fuck", you realise.
trinque: ah, don't mind me
then. I agree entirely.
mircea_popescu: trinque not in any case discussing first patch. just
the roadmap.
trinque: this is
too much ocenboiling for
the first patch, akin
to fixing everything wrong with
trb in its genesis
mircea_popescu: not even
there, just patch it
to use our own ~correct~ code.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:30 asciilifeform: will also be interesting
to see if
trb can sit down on
trinque's libressl
thing, instead of
the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with
diana_coman: asciilifeform, correct re 1 disk; for
the rest I'll have
to decide but first step has
to be
testing
trinque's new item locally anyway
mircea_popescu: nah,
the kind which were repaired dozens of
times over
the generations, where "repair" was interpreted
to mean "add a mechanism
to compensate for perceived errors".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:29
trinque: and
the plan is indeed
to get ave1's in, and I invite him
to write
the ebuild.
the point of what I released is
to preserve
the found item, can now start changing it
diana_coman: asciilifeform, smg's
test machine is running proto-cuntoo so it's not just any gentoo really
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior,
there was always 1 or 2 spamola in
the mod queue erry day, ~through
the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 13:44 spyked:
trinque, mircea_popescu: one
thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g.
thetarpit, since
that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed
to
the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery
to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring
the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign).
trinque: for now I'd like folks
to confirm
they get
the same genesis.vpatch out
the other end
diana_coman: the
test before
the
test; well, yes, I'll have
to
trinque: diana_coman: not necessarily, but I'd want
to write you a guide before encouraging you
to attempt (or have you write a guide using a machine locally)
mircea_popescu: a sort of philosophical zombie, vessels carrying forth
the voice of collective motherhood.
diana_coman: aha; (tbh it seemed like
that but I was being optimistic for once); so atm I'd need
to basically nuke s.mg's
test machine
to move it on
to cuntoo
trinque: if you're feeling adventurous, read
the bootstrap scripts and it should indicate what'd need
to happen
to convert a living system, but I had
the
thing generate a new bootable blockdev because of
these hairy complications
trinque: diana_coman: it produces
the genesis.vpatch
that represents
the state of
the bootstrapped system. porting an existing gentoo over has additional complications. in
theory you could yes, introduce what's in /cuntoo/
to an existing machine, but I
think
this deserves its own guide.
phf: asciilifeform: he "won"
the suite, presumably spent fortune on lawyers, but donated immediately after.
diana_coman: trinque,
that looks great; if I understand correctly,
the archive
there contains
the means
to a. install cuntoo b. make
the genesis of cuntoo/portage
that could in principle be used
to move an existing gentoo
to cuntoo; is
this correct?
☟︎ phf: recently carmack donated
to openbsd,
they made a very big deal out if it being "the first individual silver level donor"
mircea_popescu: but it's not exactly clear what relationship
there is, between
the 2015 died-anyway would-be openbsd continuator, and
the 1990s "fuck windows" alf's-apple-notion competitor.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 18:31 asciilifeform: d
the online payment processor Stripe each pledged
to donate $50,000 a year
to Koch’s project.' etc
mircea_popescu: trinque in summary,
the
thing flew as such : 1. de raadt announced "openbsd dead as going concern without like 20k" ; 2. nobody cared ; 3. somebody brought it here ; 4. i paid his 20k ; 5. complex face-saving dance of usg commenced, very much blueprint for all later
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874881 ; 6. i
told
them exactly how unimpressed i am. which i still am.
☝︎ trinque: correct,
that'd be
the next step
trinque: if we're
taking one, I
think it's a candidate for
taking.
trinque: it's just a
thinned out openssl.
trinque: the openbsd folks
took openssl and forked it, does not need openbsd
to build
trinque: mircea_popescu:
thought
there was some kind of "we don't want your money" instance, but now don't recall details
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 16:34 mircea_popescu:
trinque except you gotta maintain openbsd now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose
this is
the issue, i had mental image similar
to what asciilifeform discusses, "openbsd
the ancient artefact" ; was discussion more about usg.openbsd replacement in recent years ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: just
their episode with you was all.
phf: trinque: how does
that work with genesis, is it some other mechanism
than having all
the files in /distfiles? (i'm curious, but i don't have
time
to investigate)
trinque: I've been building with unshare -n , uses
the linux namespaces
thing
to detach
the process from
the network stack (fig leaf yes, but at least was a decent way
to
test)
trinque: you can build
this
thing without nic
turned on
trinque: much as
the openbsd folks shoot
themselves in
the foot politically, I don't know
that I
trust
them less
than w/e derps contribute
to openssl
phf: asciilifeform: presumably entire portage
tree pulls from
https:// unless
trinque also hosting a mirror of everything (i haven't looked yet)
☟︎ trinque: libressl is being decrufted by
the openbsd folks, result of which is
that several pretty nasty bugs in openssl didn't affect libressl since
they forked it. I can't vouch for
the work, and it's certainly up for debate.