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mircea_popescu: phf consider this : in many insects, as well as reptiles and other inferior (and therefore simpler) lifeforms, the male/female decision, or else the reproductor/drone decision (such as in bees) is not made genetically, like it is in mammals, but through some manner or other the egg comes with a lever settable in the field so to speak. now -- the male lizzard come out of egg that was cold in its youth ain't never going to be f

a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.

a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 20:41 mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman and what are the dead but just a dream we dream.

trinque: andreicon, going to want to get a permanent connection, and stop the join / part noise.

mircea_popescu: phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. << check it out, the apotropaion of lisp!

mircea_popescu: i dunno. the fact is that the core rotting away results in the conclusion that "there was no core to begin with" rather than in the conclusion rthat "it had a core -- but then it ated it."

mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ? ☟︎

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re core: disease/old age can eat out a person's core in more than geometrical sense; do you mean that any person who didn't die core-intact basically had no proper core to speak of?

diana_coman is all of a sudden curious if she's gypsy looking

mircea_popescu: but the point is for the core to not be rustable, if it's to be a core at all. otherwise what's core mean ? geometrically derived ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682471 << it all goes back to the following fundamental : is there a substance to things beyond the context, or isn't there ? (traditionally stated by ustardia as "nature-nurture conflict", which is nonsense). in any case -- can you take the tica out of the barn and the barn out of the tica ? or just one ? does the whore become ~substantially~ unwife through living in the brothel long enough ☝︎

andreicon: i think imma keep the help page in a tab somewhere

andreicon: took me a while

andreicon: ran into "Not a windows container"

a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".

phf: well, no, but now it's all kinds of programmable. a sort of poor man's repl

phf: oh yeah, they have their own shell that's not a shell thing

phf: microsoft did a "pivot" under the indian guy and "embraced" "open source". they have an aws competitor, and a user space lunix and i don't know what else.

andreicon: asciilifeform: i've been trying to set up a honeypot, i strive to be on the good side

andreicon: i usually write my own, but i never thought to include a get to favicon

phf: drill in pi is a legitimate device though. "don't want to think anymore"

asciilifeform: not mega-puzzler. consider the haskell people. 'hey this is a mechanical substitute for my brain! says on the box!!'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682468 << of all the fucktarded notions... what, WHAT on god's green earth possesses a halfwit to attach himself to an idea like this. ☝︎

phf: mircea_popescu: considering that i oversee a handful of web developers, while barely working myself, the joke about "he fell from the guard tower" is very apropos :o

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see alf ? microshit ACTUALLY IS just a skin on a functioning machine.

mircea_popescu: so you're telling me windows isn't just a skin on a functioning machine, but an actually dysfunctional from the ground up one ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it's a microshit vm it won't answer to ssh , now would it.

andreicon: i'm using a virtual machine on azure

mircea_popescu: not bad at that. i guess plenty of people may go to the trouble to curl -A "blabla" but few will also add a spurious favicon hit.

deedbot: mircea_popescu rated andreicon 1 << believe it or not, " do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe" is a direct quote.

mircea_popescu: !!rate andreicon 1 believe it or not, " do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe" is a direct quote.

andreicon: at least one was a browser

mircea_popescu: worth a read. bandiera nera and all that mountains of greece tiganiada.

mircea_popescu: wtf, if i actually have to clear jungle i'll bring in hydraulics not futz with a million blades held by a million locals.

phf: right, this is more of a worker knife. i've seen it used at construction sites for example to shape the beams

mircea_popescu: there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: phf if you triedf to junglewalk with that thing you'd be blind for all the shit it drags into your face. machete blade is curved the other way, to (if used in the right manner) repell everything at a 45ish angle

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup. all primitive societies practice a sort of adolescent male cock caging as a cultural, ofthen the ONLY cultural endeavour.

mircea_popescu: phf ah that's a rather different item. it's not properly a machete, more like a sort of kukri.

phf: http://web-simco.rhcloud.com/images/products/large/P006.jpg (knife in question, mine has less curve to it, the edge is almost entirely straight with only a slight curve at the end)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a cicisbeo xn ?

asciilifeform: phf: http://archive.is/u5uG8 << might be interesting to learn where d00d got his hardware. because the article immediately gives us the fact that that particular receiver has the cripplement in firmware. after this, only a matter of finding where (derp, of course, did not post it)

mircea_popescu: big a mistake she's making.

mircea_popescu: incidentally, for alf's benefit since he keeps asking about afghani survival skills : the social dynamics of peace is that the upper crust girl will erotically fixate on the foreign devil with some frequency ; and without exception she will have local cicisbeo xn ; and such a local will attempt to impress her by training you, with some frequency. becauyse hey, he figures the distance'd illuminate for her dumb female head how

mircea_popescu: phf i had a local guy who was trying to impress a local girl explain it all to me. fibers, man!

phf: there's a scene in samurai executioner comic book, where main character is cutting wood with a very similar looking knife, observed by a local youth. the kid later tries to repeat the move, and complete fails to even penetrate the surface. pretty much where i'm at with all this :)

mircea_popescu: (jungle expedition consists of this person at the front doing a sideways circular motion with the machete to cut through all the gunk that grows everywhere. the men rotate at the front because it's hard fucking work.)

mircea_popescu: not full speed, they manage an incredible coupla miles an hour, but still, human. i count for a 14yo boy i guess.

phf: also they use it to hack trees for kindling, etc. i tried using the knives for that purpose during camping, couldn't do much damage either. i suspect, yes, there's a tricky technique to it.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem of steel is not altogether a trivial matter of material science. nor is hand forging the universal solution. gotta make the steel for the purpose, as it were.

phf: yes, and since you reminded, i retract the unskilled part. i tried recreating the move, nearly hacked my hand off a few times, but not much damage to the coconut

phf: but then i bought a handful of hand forged (non-artisanal, but for cutting coconuts and other such low skilled labor) knives in india. easily outperforms all the junk i had at home, apart from solingen cooking knives

asciilifeform: see if 'actual steel' a coupla yrs later.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : the pineapple hacking device is this chinese blade i bought on a lark. turns out it's the best steel i own / have seen in a long while. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: a really ? alright then.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an amusing novelty might be a glonass/gps receiver, with a large "has WW3 started ?" sign to go off once it receives neither/.

mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/2fc0db5e94b5ec60a1a6cf24f2b64ae7/tumblr_o5k91cVFvc1tgs3fno1_1280.png << this incidentally is a fine example of what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664458 : bed-door clearance ? exactly enough to fit a standing chick, if were thin, AND NO MORE. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682405 << bwahahaha. teh old girlfriend is approaching 30, is she, time for a new one. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: an 'oven' crystal is about a hundy.

mircea_popescu: ah this is a gps receiver

phf: no, he linked a discrete ttl forth machine by the same guy

mircea_popescu: and since we're talking of fruit and here, let's take a detour into pina colada. the way to say ass in a sexy-friendly way is cola, which is why the sort of jeans that put out the girl's ass are called levantacola. so now... pina colada should thereby be translated "hourglass pineapple".

mircea_popescu: phf sorry about that. in retrospect i picked the worst choice, not even on the menu. should have just made a short hi and then decided.

mircea_popescu: ima go hack up a pineapple, brb.

asciilifeform: phf: celestial navigatron may not look as 'sexy' as a thermonuke, but it is actually in some ways equivalent in terms of strategic worth : a 10x moar accurate navigatron is worth roughly 100x the nukage! because inverse-square. think about it.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger so if it does not make that statement, it imports, like any research paper EVER, the following "the authors have conducted a full review of extant literature relevant to their topic, and swear that the following list is complete and correct :"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682562 << i perceive i am not at liberty to speak here, but must quote newman : http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.23-31.373 ; this quote is not a rhetorical device, nor a stylistical choice. it is no choice at all. i ~must~ quote newman. ☝︎

phf: i thought maybe you have one of those '99 home pages by a electrical star tracking aficionado

asciilifeform: making a scheme is an almost approachable thing, tho

phf: i think a good exercise is to rewrite one of the existing c machine subtrates from cmucl or sbcl in ada. but left for another lifetime

asciilifeform: (not a bad exercise, btw -- make a 'tinyscheme' in ada)

phf: i won't the thing to follow some pretty simple decision algorithm: here's a gps list of viable landing spots, here's a gps list of interesting targets. given your positional knowns decide and execute a flight path that'll take the aircraft through highest number of interesting targets before landing in any one of the viable landing spots. surprisingly large number of moving parts in a situation like that ☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. the kind usg can't switch off or meacon on a whim

asciilifeform: trying to learn something by reading shithubolade ( and yes i'm quite aware that there simply ain't much else in public ) is rather like trying to learn to be a fine french chef by studying shit going out the pipe of the toilet in famous restaurant

asciilifeform: ( i left the thing in a half-limbo when picking up 'p' to finish, but expect to get back to it before the summer's through )

asciilifeform: ( consider the observation: if martians dropped in front of your house a 8192-bit cpu, you could set Word => 8192 and ... all of the loops disappear.

a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:14 phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! ) << It's the one where they talk derps into client that forks by rejecting mined blocks

phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world ☟︎

phf: ~for me~ studying ffa is a faster method to pick up good habits, shed bad habits, considerably more so than say studying that avionics code above.

asciilifeform: ( he's probably need a decade of gulag, like korolev, at this point )

mircea_popescu: speaking of which, teh dungeon calls ; i shall be back in a coupla.

mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the ny plumber who has a price for fixing a faucet that broke, and a different one for fixing a faucet you tried to fix ?

phf: you gotta study to get to the point where "it's a simple matter of". that's the kind of insight that reading ffa can give you

asciilifeform: phf: do you recall the ( now defunct ? and i forget where it was... ) www where folx made fun of 'india code', with the folx who never heard of a for() loop etc

mircea_popescu: he thinks, in the portable latrine he carries above his shoulders, that such nonsense is the result of a thought process, that he's thinking, you know, at me and etcetera.

mircea_popescu: this is seen ALL THE FUCKING TIME with randos walking in here, under the hallucinatory impression that they have minds. a fine recent example being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672449 ☝︎

phf: asciilifeform: that's silly. it took you many years to arrive to the point where you even understand what "stop overthinking" is, or how to manifest it in code and still provide the solution. i problem is in too much thinking, then you could get a complete idiot to write ffa.

mircea_popescu: there is a reason for this.

mircea_popescu: if a guy who looks like bill de blasio profers it, the whine can never be a threat. that's part of the definition of threat, there';s a tail in there going "and it was not said by anything like http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/de-failsio.jpg "

asciilifeform: a credible thread != fud

mircea_popescu: the whole fucking pile of fail consists of the vague hope someone may be dumb enough to take a barking caterpillar for a dog.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi

a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:12 asciilifeform: ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! )

phf: nah, potato programming doesn't contain any sort of insight. the quality is a bit higher, once you're done wrestling with the compiler, but it takes experience, intelligence and taste to come out on the other end.

asciilifeform: betcha even if you support all of the weird bsds, it will add maybe a few lines.

asciilifeform: ( and items like sockets were never in the standard to begin with, and eternally a free-for-all of proprietary crapolade )

phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: but indeed there is no escape from the ownership requirement. we already have a 'final' gnat, for instance.