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asciilifeform: However, the common way of measuring chip complexity is to count the number of transistor sites; this measures the size of the internal ROMs better. Using that count, this is one of the largest chip ever done, containing nearly 400,000 transistor sites. The chip was designed very quickly (it took about 9 months from the freezing of the architecture to the first prototype chip, using a team of only 4 designers).'
asciilifeform: 'Figure 24 show some statistics about Ivory. The size of the chip was about a centimeter-and-a-half on a side in the earliest version which was done using 2-micron CMOS technology. The first commercial version will be done in a 1.6 micron process and will be about a centimeter on a side, as is the TI chip. This makes it a very large, (but not impossibly large), chip to fabricate. There are about 255,000 actual transistors on the die.
asciilifeform: ble to what you'd see in a 80386 or a 68020 class machine.'
asciilifeform: 'It is of tiie same complexity as an Intel 80386 or a Motorola 68030. Figure 21 is a photomicrograph of the chip (chip people always seem to need to show their chip pictures). The Ivory chip is more or less divided into three horizontal slices; the top is the datapath and stack cache, the middle is the control system, and the bottom is the memory interface. In the middle of the control system is a very large microstore, again compara
asciilifeform: simply means there's 2 metal layer ( conductors ) .
mircea_popescu: 2 level metal is trade name, a sort of metalization process
mircea_popescu: all those delicious %20s, the unerring sign of computer iliteracy.
amberglint: it says "CMOS - 2 Level metal", does that mean two layers?
amberglint: here's the pdf: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bal19et85pwc5yb/Howard%20Shrobe-Exploring%20Artificial%20Intelligence.%20Survey%20Talks%20from%20the%20National%20Conferences%20on%20Artificial%20Intelligence-Elsevier%20Inc%2C%20Morgan%20Kaufmann%20Pub%20%281988%29.pdf?dl=0
asciilifeform: iirc phf ( and apparently nobody else ) has the actual pinout, but iirc it is on a tape or the like and he hasn't posted yet
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle you say !!up to deedbot in a pm.
amberglint: I can share the whole pdf if you want
asciilifeform: perma-mirrored at http://www.loper-os.org/pub/amberglint_bolix_1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/amberglint_bolix_2.jpg , ty ☟︎
amberglint: it's from Howard Shrobe's "Exploring Artificial Intelligence. Survey Talks from the National Conferences on Artificial Intelligence"
asciilifeform: and yes photo matches the one given by baker, to the limit of naked eye.
asciilifeform: oh hey the die size
amberglint: I found a couple more bits about the Ivory https://i.imgur.com/m5HvPHA.png https://i.imgur.com/QEzR2po.png ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( prior to these, masks were drawn 'by hand', on room-sized film, with actual pieces of electrician's tape )
asciilifeform: item was 1 of the 1st ( if not ~the~ first ) machine-layout'd ic's, so it won't be as simple to re as the early 80s cpus
asciilifeform: 390`000 transistor.
asciilifeform: may be possible to infer exact metrage from it
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix-1987-baker.pdf ( warning: pdfturd/scan ) has the only known die shot
mircea_popescu: стихи << does english even have "stih" ? certainly ro word, and afaik they have "diptych" and such later greek derivatives...
mircea_popescu: i esp like the - , ! sendoff ☟︎
asciilifeform: the die ? i dun think even today there is die whole 4mm tall
mircea_popescu: so the chip is what, 4mm or so tall ?
asciilifeform: moar typically 5.
asciilifeform: iirc this means up to 9 layers.
asciilifeform: my notes say that it is either '2um cmos' by vlsi co., or '1um cmos' (hp co) if later edition (not known which one we have)
mircea_popescu: kinda fucking hard to peel off an unknown layer count.
asciilifeform: ( suggests that it's 2cm^2 )
asciilifeform: nor known what exactly size of die, beyond the obv max visible in the photo
asciilifeform: loox like top is au-plated iron thermal lid, bottom -- ceramic.
mircea_popescu: what do you do if there's multiple layers anyway ?
SeanRiddle: So the die's upside down, huh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't you say amberglint's fellow is the decapper / comic dude ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think he's the comic d00d
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd have thought people just use royal water / hcl / something.
SeanRiddle: A lot of the pics on wikimedia are 40Kx40K pixels
SeanRiddle: Yep, Whink's an easy way to get weak HFl
SeanRiddle: http://seanriddledecap.blogspot.com has links to where I uploaded big pics to wikimedia ☟︎
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle is it a case you have high resolution photos and lack hosting for them ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:50 asciilifeform: http://www.seanriddle.com/sc1die.html << suggests that this is the case, the link to 'Here's a 17436x15128 pixel version (HD View on another server)' goes to some microshit site that doesn't actually load for me
asciilifeform: SeanRiddle: i tried to look at the high res samples on your www, but found only http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875711 ☝︎
asciilifeform: SeanRiddle: also what res photo can you take ?
SeanRiddle: I'm using Whink to remove the passivation layer and top metal layer.
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle you'll be able to self-voice once this expires. also, what do you use to peel layers ?
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle haha was this you all along ?
trinque: deedbot's based upon that, usually reconnects, but it is looking like there's a case where it does not.
mircea_popescu: http://pbfcomics.com/comics/electro-sutra/ << terrible fucking shit, could greatly benefit from you know... SOME IDEAS.
SeanRiddle: I can decap it and get pics, and if it's simple enough I can remove the top metal layer and get more pics, but someone will need to vectorize it to RE it
mircea_popescu: i kept trying to get a comic going, oglaf chick wouldn't do it, that midnight_on_mars dood with the http://pictures.hentai-foundry.com/m/MidnightonMars/435591/MidnightonMars-435591-Secret_Obsession_-_Overwatch.jpg too fucktarded to communicate... ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: i can't speak for deedbot, but the ircbot code i put pehbot on doesn't autoreconnect at all
mircea_popescu: hm. i wonder if we can do ye olde cartoon thing i couldn't get done before.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:44 asciilifeform: amberglint: that's the basic litmus test. if comes, gets in wot, then ~possibly~ serious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the alleged ic rev d00d
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's such a fucking perfect illustration.
mircea_popescu: nothing but naked 9yo princesses aspiring to porn valley.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a pity san fernando valley was all morons in the 90s. could have bought disney, turn it into slut educational tool.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i kinda got the same "oh, we're cluless, aren't we cute tho".
asciilifeform: was transparently http://pbfcomics.com/comics/now-showing/ ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but yes, alladin carries a pretty fucking strong scent of "oh, hi, we're ohioan squarejaws wearing bedsheets. totally legit rome sir. rome, ohio." ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'where they cut off yer lips! if they dun like yer smile! it's barbaric, but hey it's home!'
mircea_popescu: jungle book was honest, in this sense. pillaged their own anglo narratives.
asciilifeform: ( and ran out of folklore to pillage )
asciilifeform: after that they went to '3d'
asciilifeform: iirc that was last one i saw ( and the only 1 in orig lang )
mircea_popescu: they kinda went to shit in the 00s.
mircea_popescu: lol. actually, i recently saw aladdin, at hanbot 's insistence. previously i think jungle book was last.
asciilifeform: hey i even managed to see disneys. a coupla, with the trad ru dubbing translator with clothspin on his nose going mmmm
mircea_popescu: right, cuz the part where "it fucking worked" is something "we've all moved past" rite.
asciilifeform: the notion that sumbody might turn away from 'modernity' consciously, rather than because alzheimer patient, apparently is a bridge too far for some folx ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's at least the 5th time i got that q, nearly lost count
mircea_popescu: there's a certain level of permissible idiocy in the youth. they come out of eggs.
asciilifeform: it was quite similar, imho, to the gabriel laddel fella. clearly there was 'somebody home' in the crankcase, but under a thick haze of substances and detritus from indiscriminate suction of ??? from heathendom. 'salvation of the drowning is work for the selfsame drowning', what can i say.
mircea_popescu: you're kinda famous for your generosity in this vein, actually. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i gave ~hour to attempt to cure. in retrospect it was folly, made 0 dent.
mircea_popescu: just like all bois could in fact be reproduced, if there were somewhere a girl with sufficient patience. there isn't.
mircea_popescu: in fact, pretty much every single pantsuit mental cockroach can be deduced from a+b above, ~including~ the strictly contradictory bits, and also including the psychotic nonsednse that allows them to maintain contradictory beliefs.
asciilifeform: folx ~do~ on occasion get out of e.g. the bottle. but ~this~ appears to be incurable, medicine is powerless.
mircea_popescu: usual set of a) "you're special" cuntlet nonsense and b) "if its hard it means you don't have to do it" ustardation. they interplay the same way everywhere, it's a coherently broken philosophical system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still can't make heads or tails of wtf was in that d00d's head. shows symptoms of some kinda maths education. but omfg the 'cd-r brain'.
mircea_popescu: there's not this miracle in nature, "i know he doesn't wash, but he's a great guy!"
asciilifeform: ( and , in fact ~to the credit of~ koch, at least the latter didn't fuck about with 'proofs' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform is not usually the 'Пастернака не читал, но осуждаю'(tm)(r) type. so yes tried to read. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: btw Mocky -- teh bot dies through the following : often it makes so much stuff in one click it overwhelms its weight carrying capacity. any chance you can implement a fragmenter-if-overweight ? it's often enough to be a pain in the ass by now. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol if you insist on wasting time...
asciilifeform: tried, for instance, to actually read zx2c4's hairball, ran outa barfbags
asciilifeform: another day in the lulzroom.
mircea_popescu: though maybe BingoBoingo feels like updating the piece that started teh discussion with the corresponding mockery.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:53 mircea_popescu: 0fb6460fcb88a0fbdc85d4f3b9505e69814ceacb3effd20b427d1b8d5689094e / 09c078a4040b1a044dc654e005bcc8b4c23523393d5244fd9c47408968555640 i see mempool txn right now.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 22:47 trinque: mircea_popescu: lulzy, but my coffers aren't stocked up for a supreme court fight just yet
mircea_popescu: trinque re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875902 : considering both items in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875860 are at 6+ confirms now, i'd say the point re the utter irelevancy and thorough ireality of usg and its figments is well made enough to not need me to throw away dimes to rando idiot spammers. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-19756 and thx !
asciilifeform: ( there are 'lifers' in ru, typically 5+ corpses on ea., but they typically have life expectancy of ~7y . 1 survived to parole age last yr, it was enuff of an oddity that it was taken up in the fishwraps as newz )
asciilifeform: in current-day ru, as i understand you need repeated (1 corpse generally not suffice) wetwork to merit >decade
BingoBoingo: The Uruguayos don't tend to lockup people for very long. Year+ in prison seems to be an anomaly
asciilifeform: jailers pull'em down with hooks, so they get rebuilt regularly.
asciilifeform: ( technically 'horse' is the spitball, 'road' is the rope, but again in eng world whoknows, maybe whole tradition died/never born )
asciilifeform: ( in ru variant, moar laborious cuz their setup tends to look moar like https://www.tyurem.net/album/images/narva_55_jpg.jpg -- iron grate sorta like on modern 'central ac' duct, gotta be pried apart a little with sumthing )