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BingoBoingo: In one hand I have a very enviable problem in a repeat customer wanting a box stood up. With that box the customer intends to have very capable hands under his control test the cuntoo build process. As a bonus they are offering to molest USB sticks into cuntoo propagators.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one actually is baked around same contents as ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654659 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( aside from that, it's more or less same thing as x60, but with slightly smaller and substantially cheaper-feeling kbd )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cant speak for eucrypt, but ffa is at least as much experiment in 'can program be written to make sense?' as it is arithm lib
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as the thing fits. how big are they ?
BingoBoingo: Based on last month's colo a month is 0.03542500, individuals SSD's are on our book at 0.04744204 BTC. asciilifeform, as technical director is it reasonable to short term rent an SSD or are SSD's something that need to be sold. My inclination is SSD attaches to customer. Disinclined to reuse these things or pass them between customers.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the spec is as described, with t2400, 31 W.
asciilifeform: still use'em as 'single-purpose box that dun take too much floor' on occasion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ? << I don't hate the thinkpad x120e, AMD E350 Bobcat chip
mircea_popescu: vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 03:08 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892264 << looks like spyked is going to take care of it (though, I dun mind rsyncing it as well) >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-201.0-213.84
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:43 asciilifeform: ( and magicking as result the privatizationlulz into being )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: far as i'm concerned, walking bodies who can't languages into a higher maffs classroom is == lunacy to walking in ones who never learned arithmetic
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893123 << for all the wank re "science of education", entire field is exactly at shaman stage, something as basic as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892871 entirely undiscovered arcana. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-12 20:50 mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer.
asciilifeform: ( and magicking as result the privatizationlulz into being ) ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, I do NOT barf at all at Neznaika and at Nosov in general and yes, I read them as a child an in Romanian and loved them; and I re-read them at 12 and at 19 and at 25 and STILL loved them
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:18 asciilifeform: e.g. brin elder would've luvved to assign e.g. kurosh as the textbook, i suspect, but could not , it dun exist afaik in eng
diana_coman: pitty you didn't find the prof before finding only his...remains as it were
asciilifeform: e.g. brin elder would've luvved to assign e.g. kurosh as the textbook, i suspect, but could not , it dun exist afaik in eng ☟︎
asciilifeform: i do wonder what diana_coman was like as a noob tho
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 21:00 mircea_popescu: now, it seems to me the case that since there's little benefit in having more threads than cores, it is perfectly acceptable (in this situation) to hold these in an array set as to whatever maximum is reasonable. 32 or 64 or whatever count.
mircea_popescu: as you never put any deliberate effort into studying such, your only model is built passively and as you've been spending less and less time in the soup...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reviewing history, there's a lot of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1853976 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854006 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854010 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854019 and so following. now, as a factual matter, the dood DID NOT give a shit, september to february. may i ask for my own curiosity what informs the "teachable" part in "teachable noob" ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html? ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: this "convo moves" thing is as decidable as "computer never halting"
mircea_popescu: so then. "convo dun move no moar after that" means ~little. spyked was reading trilema early enough, as evident in the various antiqua he can drag in. then... convo moved no more after that... for what, eyars ? and then it moved.
asciilifeform: not for so long as we dun need the new spleen cells for anyffin.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 16:30 mircea_popescu: the republic both wholly owns and actually made "their town", as well as themselves and everything else. the relationship is exactly of the nature of http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/#selection-119.75-119.401
a111: Logged on 2018-04-22 18:25 BingoBoingo: To pantsuit all of #trilema has to read as vexual as vexual reads to us
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the problem with this. though i must confess midly curious as to why it manages to occupy your time.
mircea_popescu: so, ultimately, the logic here goes thusly : 1) of all the parts of living animal, i choose spleen to be defined as "only relevant part", arbitrarily. because i really like spleens and i don't really understand anything besides them nor do i wish to or see why i should have to ;
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "the only surviving island of non-(engineeridiocy) is this here harem, and further, as part and parcel of my continued and systematic efforts to ensure failure, not only do i perceive this as a substantial lack of everyone else, but instead i'll propose that taking a sufficiently narrow view of the matter, it could almost be said the lacking parts don't even exist" ?
asciilifeform: can't propose so far as to 'set goal', but will observe that the net # of mechanical moving parts currently fielded that came out of harem, is afaik 0.
mircea_popescu: educable as in positive delta over time, not educable as in, reaches ishtar gate before i get bored waiting.
asciilifeform: narrow sense of educable-as-in-ave1 , i.e. capable of contributing to asciilifeform's load of heavy-lifting in particular.
mircea_popescu: are we talking here of "educable, as the process" or are we talking here of "educable, as to a certain goal" ?
mircea_popescu: once that's off the ground, as many as one third of the girlies are perfectly educable.
mircea_popescu: then again, 0 apparent awareness of the tmsr -> usg relationship is as fine a symptom as can be had, to the best of my knowledge.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it?
mircea_popescu: if you want to change anything, change the thing where you fail to mention to kids that there's such a thing as sex until well after they've either been undone by it or somehow, through no fault of your own, survived.
asciilifeform: how to behave ? it aint codified as such anywhere afaik. read noob's www, assumed -- cultured.
mircea_popescu: hey phf ben_vulpes and, i guess Framedragger : can i prevail upon you to have (just one) logotron recognize [url][anchor] syntax and render it as <a href=url>anchor</a> instead of the literal ?
mircea_popescu: people visit the senate as a museum all the time, even schoolkids manage it alright. but they do it ~knowing where they are~, it seems to me you do an orc grave disservice if you don't even mention a thing such a town may exist, then take him there. obviously naive extension of whatever shiteating passes in his wilderness will get him thrown out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892747 << this is a proper question, if not one easy to answer. i believe spyked is correct in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-55.152-55.393 ; i will not go as far as to say "noob must only be invited at senate once he, like bunyan's hero, understands this is literally the only that does or could matter". nevertheless, it is evidently premature to invite any ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma bring larvae in strictly once they pupate, as discussed earlier with diana_coman .
mircea_popescu: the republic both wholly owns and actually made "their town", as well as themselves and everything else. the relationship is exactly of the nature of http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/#selection-119.75-119.401 ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's kindergarten currently is permissive (so long as folx are reasonably low-traffic) on acct of not being particularly packed.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a teachable n00b, as suggested by his www. similar to e.g. bvt .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it? ☟︎
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891494 << as of now, no. I would like to see this built, but I have other items to get to first (http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/) ☝︎
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892264 << looks like spyked is going to take care of it (though, I dun mind rsyncing it as well) >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-201.0-213.84 ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he lives there orig, seemed ready to be introduced to other folx, as adaist. i expect will mostly lurk for the foreseeable fyootur.
mircea_popescu: suppose you move over to #asciilifeform then ? because EXACTLY as the topic says, if you don't know where you are, you shouldn't be here.
verisimilitude: I'm not certain just reading loper-os.org over a few years counts as lurking, but alright.
verisimilitude: Well, as much as one can on IRC over a short time, anyway.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as a concrete example : you will find that ffa uses an unmoving hinge for karatsuba multiplication. consequently all numbers are required to occupy a space that is a power-of-two bits wide. but from this you get a 3-4x simpler mechanism.
asciilifeform: ffa in particular is intended as , among other things, a didactic demonstration of what means 'fits-in-head'.
verisimilitude: Sure; my system I have in mind to make as perfect as I can certainly fits in a normal-sized head, or should.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there are other 'old unix' cargo cults in the historic record, also; all are quite similar to cat-v , near as i can tell.
asciilifeform: it was 'forgotten' for what, near as i can tell, consists ~100% of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-307.0-313.492 reason.
asciilifeform: the basic approach is not only sound, however, but the only ~possible~ sound approach -- you bake a cpu that 'understands types', as discussed in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46 and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55 , and go up from there.
asciilifeform: entirely extinct, casualty of politics and jawdroppingly-inept management; but item to some extent is still available as a fossilized specimen for archaeology.
trinque: yep, already need working vtools to run the bootstrapper, so it's not as if there isn't a list of requirements for build env
asciilifeform: trinque: seems to me that for nao, a working binary build of ave1-gnat gotta be included in standard cuntoo, same as working kernel etc
asciilifeform: ( as it is, we have an active unresolved 'thompsonism' in the mix )
asciilifeform: incidentally if you're on a x86/x64 box, ave1's gnat will run right as-is, it is built statically and outputs strictly static bins.
asciilifeform: this is not in general a problem, e.g. ave1's gnat works just fine as cross-compiler.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch16/ffa_calc__adb.htm << ffa as of ch. 16.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in particular , any system with gc is ruled out right off the bat, as you cannot plug timing sidechannel leak if you got gc in the mix.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in 2016 i found that i gotta write a safety-critical arithmetic system (nao known as ffa) and found that i cannot in good conscience do it in anyffin but ada.
verisimilitude: As a Lisp programmer, what drew you to Ada, asciilifeform?
verisimilitude: I like the idea of writing software that handles all failure modes correctly, as awful as modern systems make doing so.
verisimilitude: My current PGP setup is horrible, as you can guess.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-10 00:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.)
asciilifeform: very rarely anyone goes 'perl' with actual physical bulldozer as in naggum's gedanken exp because actual bulldozer costs actual dough, and eats fuel which ditto, and produces immediately palpable mess
a111: Logged on 2015-09-02 22:09 mircea_popescu: there is clearly a problem here. ideal objects (such as software) are not comensurate with physical objects. this attempt to "engineer programs like screws" was a reasonable first hack at the novel an dunexpected problem,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's the perfect tool for ONE job, as my recent header illustrates.
asciilifeform: rright but you dun do it as central focus of all life.
asciilifeform: arguably there was 'perlism' prior to perl, just as there was surely alcoholism prior to cheap gin.
asciilifeform: only in same way as whiskey distinct from beer
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 << today 'mythical', but in '98 or when it was he wrote , was in fact troo specifically starring perl. (today other crapola, and moar fragmented so not immediately pointable to as 'hey, perl' ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:59 mircea_popescu: im sure eg spyked would love ot give it a gander -- maybe he thereby learns asm and becomes as smart as ave1 for one, and maybe it helps his adalisp for the other.
asciilifeform: but whichever, post, or not, as feel like, how else.
mircea_popescu: and then if i were to leak eg http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Se2eN/?raw=true ie, historical forum bits of travels ~as thery happened~ alf's gonna also want that and so on.
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
asciilifeform: 'Implementing muLisp for the Intel 8086 was more challenging because the 1-megabyte address space was segmented into 64-kilobyte segments. The MS-DOS operating system reserved 360 kilobytes of that address space for its purposes, leaving 640 kilobytes for implementing and using muLisp. Awkward segmented architecture is becoming less common as memory costs decline. However, techniques for overcoming the limitations of short pointers a
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 13:57 mircea_popescu: exactly the same substance as the "artwork" basis of http://maddox.xmission.com/irule_.html
mircea_popescu: im sure eg spyked would love ot give it a gander -- maybe he thereby learns asm and becomes as smart as ave1 for one, and maybe it helps his adalisp for the other. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "we'd much rather not all be jack keefe, and you know what ? if we never ever mention it it's just as good as if we actually weren't. also, don't say king coon, nigger or cripple."
mircea_popescu: i suspected as much.
mircea_popescu: this being, of course, the ~correct~ way to imagine things. jack keefe, for being an imaginary character, is actually super-authentic as well as meta-authentic.
mircea_popescu: anyways. certainly provides well needed perspective for all sorts of local-flavour insanities. "the success and importance" of "social media", aka "for the first time ever the circumstance that we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to each other doesn't seem as much of an impediment anymore!"
mircea_popescu: 1930s as 1880s, fiddy years.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the enduring unfairness that Jack Keefe's dollar is as good as Tom Sawyer's and... what happened to the dollar between 1919 and 2019?
mircea_popescu: there is a deep an' fundamental reason "the narrative" in that sad shithole consists entirely of and exists entirely as commerciam communication aka advertising copy ; and there is a deep and fundamental reason social relations ~do not exist~ among americans outside of commercial relations.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 03:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you get as far as where he ~reveals~ the sauce for the "go at it the right way" device ?