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asciilifeform: ( incidentally, yet 3rd version is b's son's, who to his grave insisted that father was killed in his office, without surrendering , 'binladen-style' . )
asciilifeform: also describes how the usurpers could not decide who is to actually do the wet work ( per serov, beria was killed several days into captivity, not 6mo when Officially 'sentenced' )
asciilifeform: serov describes the coup in some detail, in particular the times & places where various folx who would have gotten in the way, were neutralized
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 22:19 asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
asciilifeform: there are other bits an' pieces. for instance, diaries of serov ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672808 ) were found in 2000s . fwiw i read. the usual rotters all 'fecal consensus' that they are a forgery, but i'm actually sold ( not convinced that they were printed ~uncut~, sure , but that not outright fabrication -- convinced ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: again -- impossible to authenticate 'did he ? or donation of constantine' w/out time machine.
asciilifeform: not exact, no. but in the style of my http://ave1.org/2018/%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80/#comment-100 translations.
asciilifeform: there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot' ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( hrusch for instance is known to have pinned a good coupla 10k corpses that he was himself the author of, on beria )
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible that he did; but in so far as i can tell 100% of that narrative comes from the folx that killed him & danced on the corpse
mircea_popescu: yet conversely, he might actually be the imago of what later came to be "sluggish schizo". man went nuts in his middle age, or so they thought (or so i suspect they thought).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 15:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he used to be a kind of fixer, owned a town and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-28#1036383
mircea_popescu: this much is true.
asciilifeform: b was personal friend, incidentally, of stalin; the latter persuaded him , not w/out difficulty, to come out of his local gig in sunny south and work in 'big league'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:27 asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring.
asciilifeform: but per my pov , as 'fan' and chronic eater of just about any period material that can be squeezed from the dried mummies , is that beria was a prime mover of all sortsa http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877568 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: at any rate this thread touches qs that are impossible to answer w/out time machine, so i'ma not put moar weight on it
mircea_popescu: stalin certainly was. "designated successor" my foot, if he lived another 18 months they'd have all been decorating pikes, beria first.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been 'rehash of nep' that other players indignant over, but ~their removal~, d00d was, i suspect, getting set to clean house.
asciilifeform: d00d was quite definitely a sort of napoleon, had all kindsa 'let's try things' inclinations.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, "market system" entirely meaningless in the man's context. it's like "moses let it slip he's in favour of nuclear weapons". for the other thing, LENIN came up with the fucking neps. nobody was going to be all that indignant over rehash. in short it predicates both meaning and effect projected from an outside world.
mircea_popescu: this seems very not credible to me.
asciilifeform: ( and to tie this into the other subthread -- by some accts, beria let it slip that he was in favour of 'transition to market system' of some variant. 2 wks later, nailed , actor played him at show trial in 6mo )
mircea_popescu: or w/e, the scientology head muppet, closer example.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to finish k thread -- my read was that his contemporaries read him in the vein of "promising but sadly insane". this happens with some regularity, napoleon himself one thin hair away.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform recently probed pet, re whether there was a figure like e.g. matrosov, in ameri-folklore. all she could think of was a 1800s mythical character who 'died with hammer in his hand' trying to out-steam a steam hammer
mircea_popescu: that's the important part there, as usual off screen : "while this was going on, dad was busy doing actually important shit -- because no, neither cat nor its spawn are it"
mircea_popescu: imo this eminent example. kinda why we discuss orel-i-koshka in preference of whatever disney overdressed princess
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical end-days fare
asciilifeform: ( not only su rockets -- but errywhere, incl. usa. beria's broomstick was long enuff to tickle arses across ocean just as readily as locally )
mircea_popescu: aaanyway -- the korgyn fellow is remarkable (and remarkably funny) because he managed to come up with a 100% worst-of-all-worlds plan of nonsense.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is one of the folx who do not regard stalin-on-throne and rockets-fly as a mere coincidence.
asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( at some point i'ma have to do a serious with-bib-refs treatment of the subj in engl., afaik none exists ! )
a111: Logged on 2015-02-22 21:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on
a111: Logged on 2015-03-04 01:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact
a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:51 asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-22 14:27 asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 22:28 asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'
asciilifeform: see also old thrds, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850267 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843582 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-07#1294063 , ☝︎☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform could pick b/w working for obummer & co, and beria, would pick the latter any day of week.
asciilifeform: what we do know was that he was kurchatov's direct boss. and presided over mind-bogglingly successful 'yesterday we had horse plow and today nuke' affair.
asciilifeform: ( and then turned into a kinda 'bluebeard' in Official Troof )
asciilifeform: the troof, to the extent i was able to get at it, was that the d00d was ~soft~ and 'modernization'-inclined. and hence got nailed.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: it's exactly like going with suetonius re the emperors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i looked into the 'deranged', virtually 100% of the extant sources are tainted with hrusch & co.
mircea_popescu: "name how many heroic worker hours for this fridge! THE SACRIFICE IS RIGHT!!!")
mircea_popescu: his idea was, summarized by someone who's not retarded like they were : that if a) portions of industrial production get redirected to consumer goods and b) the state media finds a vanna white in the zaporoje countriside, then c) soviet union can turn into a large game of stakhanovist jeopardy.
asciilifeform: ( successfully conspired with other 3rdraters to kill beria, the designated kronprinz )
mircea_popescu: then brejnev let a certain kosgyn be "boss of economy". and then they had an electoral dispute, as to who should lead. kosgyn came with the lulziest perestroika v0.1a you ever saw)
mircea_popescu: (likbez : su was "dictatorship", nevertheless, brejnev got place by talking to everyone about ousting nikita, which then happened even though the retard got wind of the plan, because he was a retard. just like in dictatorship amirite.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you recall the lulz of kosygin's programme ?
asciilifeform has 0 specific knowledge of this, but believes
mircea_popescu: 60s, 70s, that dude parked his pecker in more "gone to ny to be a writer" mouths than hefner.
mircea_popescu: i recall the endless hordes of pantsuit "free women" going there to whore out to him a little for a few decades. what they said at the coffin... w/e, you know how old the dood was ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu's model is incomplete, i.e. if mircea_popescu were to for some reason http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726231 , regalia wouldn't help ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( recall the bacchanalia of bloodlust when defeat of ghaddaffi , among pantsuit )
mircea_popescu: imo they live in a female (see http://trilema.com/2011/epifania-cu-pedofilia/ ) hatred of beta bois pretending to my regalia. which, honestly, can hardly ever be faulted.
mircea_popescu: this has not been my observation, but then again.
asciilifeform: they live in a 'zoological' hatred of actual people, and nail'em whenever the occasion permits
mircea_popescu: nobody would even have any objection, if they didn't ineptly get into the way of actual people now and again. (though in fairness it's vastly in the sense of "bus got in way of old man").
asciilifeform: erry yr or so they hang 1 , ' pour encourager les autres '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg lands are constructed out of idiots "making laws" and idiots "following laws". these two are interchangeable, and the system works well for the lowest common denominator.
asciilifeform: evidently there aint enuff selection pressure.
mircea_popescu: in chickens that's rather needed w/o all they do is "fly" balistically into nearest road.
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack, the pokerists -- i am led to conclude that usg's inquisition is not particularly vigorous , or the paypalistic poker dens would have gone to sane place as dodo bird
BingoBoingo: Some chickens need the feather clipping too. Knock a bit off one side and all they can do are small circles
mircea_popescu is not a duck expert, but afaik not that much expertise to be had. you can clip their feathers.
mircea_popescu: bad genetics, bad nutrition, bad culture, who the fuck knows.
asciilifeform: ... too fat ?
mircea_popescu: (also kinda why duck not popular with traditional household farmers -- some domestics develop flight spontaneously)
asciilifeform: is it ? i was under impression that farm duck flies like chicken
mircea_popescu: when they quack overhead, one takes off. kinda al lthere is to it.
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi how flight program worx in the bird
mircea_popescu: the calling is the only way to distinguish, it's an event not a succession.
asciilifeform: i dunno that goat and not boar. iirc danielpbarron used to have moar courage.
mircea_popescu: eh, there's infinitely better things to sad over, than the idle contemplation of the intricacies of "why this goat is not boar".
asciilifeform: iirc hanbot had a post somewhere addressed to 1 of these, 'yer already in prison'
asciilifeform: pretty sad to watch
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
mircea_popescu: what can you do, danielpbarron decided what he wants is to "obey laws" and NOT beat women.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the technical term on my home planet for these is : жить надоело
mircea_popescu: "we're failures and that's okay, failing makes us happy"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same as "state of the art" of strippers, if you recall that lengthy lulz. 100% moved to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
mircea_popescu: which is why so thoroughly reviled by the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ ; especially in "male" flavouring.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:12 danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877611 << what's the current state of the art re pokerism, anyway ? has it moved to 100% btc yet , or are idiots still being gassed when they cash out in paypalade and travel to reich 'vacation resorts' for no apparent reason ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: which is the important part of THAT kind of army, not "winning chechen war", but "here we sit in boy hut, waiting for feathers to grow on -- if they take long time, have no one to blame but self"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg never had army in the sense here contemplated. had "selective draft" or w/e.
asciilifeform: for all i know you gotta have famines to get 1 ppm of kurchatovs and 1000 ppm of actual-people per se
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i for instance prolly good for three or four hangings, simply on what's in the l0gz
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877609 << there's even a vacant rk, available to danielpbarron . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877608 << pogo is a 256MB ram / 2core / 800MHz box, and takes up considerable vertical space if you mount the sata disk ; rk is a 2GB / 4core / 1.8GHz box, and takes up 2cm of vertical ( and there is existing rack of'em ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: if you want own fg, you put it inside yer own box that you colo.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877602 << there's listed pricing for 'rk', 'rk + fg', you get 1 of the pizarro stash with the latter. ☝︎