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bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template) ☟︎

diana_coman: hm, if it's indeed the tmp thing, it might be worth a try to press vtools to current leaf (i.e. vtools_tempfile_standalone or _notmp) and see if that cures it; my archive contains pressed vtools to ksum patch only, not further ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: granted ave1's gnat still has 'miles to go' in some aspects, gotta be de-autoconf'd ( asciilifeform aint ever signing ANYTHING with autoconfolade in it ) and genesis'd. but it worx a++, is portable (to arm, currently) and is frozen, which is good bit moar than can be said for adacore's thing

asciilifeform: ( starting with ch12 all ffa tested strictly on ave1's gnat )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 20:52 lobbes: Since this was my first time using vtools, I used diana's "starter v" with the build.sh. Script ran fine, and vtools such as ksum are working. I installed GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/download (the x86-64 GNU Linux). I'm on my debian box, gcc version 4.9.2

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878042 << btw current standard gnat is ave1's , you can use the heathen one (at least with asciilifeform's proggies, worx) but 'no warranty' ☝︎

asciilifeform: and in general this is gold standard for 'wtf is this' debug. pleez post strace log folx!

asciilifeform: ( does it ever create the file at that path ? if so, failed ? etc ) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 20:52 lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sV2GA/?raw=true << diana_coman, asciilifeform, or other users of vk.pl, have you encountered this barf before? Trying to test my installation of diana_coman's v setup by pressing eucrypt from http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878041 << this loox possibly like failure of the tempfile mechanism ( as discussed in recent thread ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 20:09 mircea_popescu: but i mean, they had elaborate (and interesting) customs, how many scabs, how long to dry (fresh scabs pretty much communicate variola, but dry ones are safe because virions very fragile, readily inactivated by dryness), which nostril to use (girls got left), how to make the blower and what out of (silver) and so on.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878039 << pretty interesting, plox to post if you end up remembering where saw this orig ☝︎☟︎

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/more-than-440-us-military-service-members-sextorted-by-prisoners/ << Qntra - More Than 440 US Military Service Members Sextorted By Prisoners

diana_coman: lobbes, never seen that before but it seems related to gnat version?

lobbes been staring at terminal most of the day, so gonna step away to grab some $food. bbl

lobbes: Since this was my first time using vtools, I used diana's "starter v" with the build.sh. Script ran fine, and vtools such as ksum are working. I installed GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/download (the x86-64 GNU Linux). I'm on my debian box, gcc version 4.9.2 ☟︎

lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sV2GA/?raw=true << diana_coman, asciilifeform, or other users of vk.pl, have you encountered this barf before? Trying to test my installation of diana_coman's v setup by pressing eucrypt from http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/ ☟︎

deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=98 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/17/2018

mircea_popescu: but i mean, they had elaborate (and interesting) customs, how many scabs, how long to dry (fresh scabs pretty much communicate variola, but dry ones are safe because virions very fragile, readily inactivated by dryness), which nostril to use (girls got left), how to make the blower and what out of (silver) and so on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: in any case it was never common, more of a rich folk giving young bride best chances sorta affair, "if i'ma spend a fortune rising this special camel it'd better sniff dead corpses" sorta thing.

mircea_popescu: people trading silk with china (ie, various arab groups) started doing something similar, 16ish century.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 16:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know of specifics re the 'millenia' item, i'd be quite curious to see, 1st time i hear of this notion (outside of the hindu nationalist lolcows, who are deadly certain that they had nuke and supercomputer 'millenia' ago also.. )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877991 << it's pretty certain ming chinese used "insert bits of sick person" process, via insufflation of scabs. this part is not controversial, there's multiple period descriptions of the item. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:05 lobbes: (to begin, it will not have self-voice capability. Spyked's voicer is for the ircbot branch of the tree sadly, so I will need to add voicing to the logbot branch. However, I figure that can wait for another day)

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 16:27 lobbes: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << this is pretty cool Spyked. I'ma give your regrind of logbot_command_router_python_genesis a test and if it all presses I'll sign

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877986 <-- cheers! /me is looking forward to that (then adding http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862345 to logbot shouldn't be very difficult) ☝︎☝︎☟︎

trinque: nah, how bout now then?

spyked: (or I can arrange getting up early one of the following days, say wednesday to fit trinque's schedule)

spyked: trinque, I can do in max 3hrs from now (I'm on utc+2 time, and will have to go sleep soon). but yeah, send me all the subscriptions when you have time, so I can cross-check with the ones that I have.

trinque: I'll give you a list of current PM subscriptions so you can keep firing those for people.

asciilifeform: remember, they sell that thing as a dumb terminal, with only a token bone thrown to 'yes you can install own os' notion

trinque: spyked: you want to do the RSS handoff this evening (in say 8hrs, since I dunno where you're at on this orb) ?

asciilifeform: spyked: it does, and immediately , if you forget the ctrl-d 'dev mode' ritual

asciilifeform: spyked: it's the 1st one most folx used, given as it was the first vtron ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877949 <-- ftr, v.py was the first vtron that I read, and I think it's a great didactic implem (though nowadays esthlos v is imho a good competitor in that field) ☝︎

asciilifeform: i find this intolerable on any box used for anything serious whatsoever, so my c101pa is presently gathering dust ☟︎

asciilifeform: spyked: the other headache is that google's orig boot rom will format your hdd if you forget to hit ctrl-d on coldboot

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877921 <-- noted. this placement of heathen os in the bootstrapping process is indeed big problem and I hadn't previously considered it. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877916 <-- doing the regrind, I also had the sense that "this is akin to fitting lego pieces together in order to obtain meaningful result". and I'm pretty sure there's a log line describing v patches this way, but I couldn't find it. ☝︎

auctionbot: BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please express the opening bid as a positive integer

BingoBoingo: And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires ☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:14 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: hey did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875888 actually come to anything ? can i finally invoice that coin an' a half ?

asciilifeform: ( and iirc he in fact undershot the probability by an order of magnitude, when calculating )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:53 mircea_popescu: though, the important part isn't of course "how insane that was", but rather ~how reasonable~. the reason it's even called "vacca-cination" is because original 1800s version preceded a good understanding of microbics, and was purely "if this done, this comes out" black boxk of human body approach. used literal chunklets of infected cow to generate immunity in humans to DIFFERENT strain of virus (ie, measles, like cowpox, same

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877980 << l. szilard's proposition that los alamos nuke might chainreact atmosphere, was neither moar nor less 'insane' ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( loox like it's 1 of those 'haha, he thinks he has courage, let him sit in gulag! see how much courage then!' sorta flames ) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:46 mircea_popescu: in shit entirely unrelated to anything, but since we're doing links : hey alf, you ever ran into https://dadatroll.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/eu-erou-al-timpurilor-noastre/ ?

asciilifeform went an' actually read http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877963 , turns out its sorta opposite sign bit from what i assumed ☝︎

asciilifeform: kinda smacks of ye olde 'bagdad battery' ( i.e. 'they ~could~ have, and we found these-here vaguely suggestive pot shards..' )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know of specifics re the 'millenia' item, i'd be quite curious to see, 1st time i hear of this notion (outside of the hindu nationalist lolcows, who are deadly certain that they had nuke and supercomputer 'millenia' ago also.. ) ☟︎

lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E ☟︎

lobbes: this also gives me another reason to take diana_coman's V setup for a spin (http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/)

lobbes: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << this is pretty cool Spyked. I'ma give your regrind of logbot_command_router_python_genesis a test and if it all presses I'll sign ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and incidentally, it's only called vaccination to convey the (at the time important) notation that "it's like variolation, but with cow bits". because exposure to variola infected tissue had been used for half a century or more by then.

mircea_popescu: which isn't insane in any sense, on the contrary, ~fucking reasonable~.

mircea_popescu: the perfectly sound logic being that "if we follow the proponents, and believe stuffing human with selecrted bits of beef, has medical effects of a type, why not believe it has medical effects of another type!"

mircea_popescu: glycoproteins on cover thus crossimmunity works).

mircea_popescu: though, the important part isn't of course "how insane that was", but rather ~how reasonable~. the reason it's even called "vacca-cination" is because original 1800s version preceded a good understanding of microbics, and was purely "if this done, this comes out" black boxk of human body approach. used literal chunklets of infected cow to generate immunity in humans to DIFFERENT strain of virus (ie, measles, like cowpox, same ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and all this just because women take on the personality of the cock they wrap around.

asciilifeform: 'biological horn' made comebacks when blood transfusion 'oh noez, will subsume personality of donor' and then in '80s for pig organs and whoknows nao

mircea_popescu: yeah but the more biological horn seems more interesting to me. the other just stale dry biscuit.

mircea_popescu: (likbez : 1800s people thought vaccination will lead to cows coming out of people)

asciilifeform: i was somehow under impression that in those days ~errybody with a comp and a modem in ro regularly read mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a futurist/urmuz-style satyre of what was perceived in ro context as my strictly insane perspective on things

mircea_popescu: turns out there's a 2010 version of "mp has spaceship wtf"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this re that time in old world where mircea_popescu drove commie 'poet' to death of drink ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun thinkso

mircea_popescu: in shit entirely unrelated to anything, but since we're doing links : hey alf, you ever ran into https://dadatroll.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/eu-erou-al-timpurilor-noastre/ ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yea olympus lives 4evah, but asciilifeform is making a serious stab at rolling with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 release calendar

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want to link in dec. snsa broadcast, the nov '18 ch's are 12A, 12B, 13 .

asciilifeform: ( sad troof : sumtimes asciilifeform's lamp gets rubbed even on weekend, and he goes to grant wishes.. )

asciilifeform: trinque: i put a calendar slot orig for sat. dec 2 to test cuntoo, but it got stolen by saecular liquishit; sadly i'ma have to postpone until i get ch14

asciilifeform still carrying on with the promise given in ch1 , 'you oughta be able to eat a ch in ~1hour'. tho i do not know if succeeded to date, so far no one said how long it took'em to eat

asciilifeform: it's the 1 with the barrett proof.

asciilifeform: ( ch14 in particular, is the most algebra-heavy ch to date, and it's beginning to look like i'ma have to cut it in 2 as i did with ch 12 )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 10:26 spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html <-- seems to have been lost in friday's deedbot downtime.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( it's a reusable component, and i expect will appear elsewhere , so this is quite helpful )

asciilifeform: ( 'swallowing' is not mutually exclusive, necessarily, with supplying patches upstream to orig -- diana_coman , for instance, 'swallowed' ada-udp , but did also post patches for my tree, a+++ )

asciilifeform: my current understanding is that '1 genesis' regrind is when yer ready to 'swallow' a proggy into own project , and take over its maintenance with own hands ; 'history' is when regrinding own proggy, for manifestism/keccakism etc

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877916 << to date we've had both types of regrind ( e.g. diana_coman reground 'mpi' into 1 genesis, for use in smg ; ffa on other hand had a 'history-preserving' regrind , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2743 ; and iirc mod6 is baking a 'history' regrind for trb ; diana_coman had 'history' regrind for eucrypt; and possibly i missed somebody in this list ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com << last update : nov. 2. which is a shame, imho these were a++ summaries

a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: hey did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875888 actually come to anything ? can i finally invoice that coin an' a half ?

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263 ☝︎☝︎☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: spyked: keep in mind that to do almosg anything useful with the box, requires the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 cable

asciilifeform: if you can build it, potentially quickest pill is to transplant the trad fs logic from uboot to it ( google's shitware demands that the kernel lie on a custom googlistic partition, and be 'signed' with their sad-rsa in custom format etc )

asciilifeform: ( theoretically theirs is 'open sores' but building it requires a multi-GB toolchain that i never succeeded in getting to run )

asciilifeform: what i never had time to bake is a working replacement for their faux-uboot thing.

asciilifeform: as for (1) , recall that i did find a partial break that lets operator 'debrick' ( flash bootloader via usb )

asciilifeform: ( the 'signing' shitware, that is )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 10:39 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875947 <-- hm. so I'm seeing a few distinct problems here. 1. de-googlifying the bootloader (and getting rid of the cr50 mess); 2. using a non-googlistic kernel; and 3. replacing the rootfs with a cuntoo userspace. if I understood correctly, then 2 depends on googlistic signing software because of 1, but 3 should be doable either way (if anything, ave1's compiler is a more immediate requirement to get

mircea_popescu: might as well, seems eminently the right time and place for such testing.

mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-147.0-147.65 << nice work. imo this is a fine golden standard, "test all noted V implementations on a regrind/regenesis."

a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 20:30 BingoBoingo: Mocky: Will ask, tyvm