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mircea_popescu: somewhere on trilema the record of "o noes, people FOR NO REASON increased prices, when we're totally gonna win war", but gotta split so will look for it later.
mircea_popescu: the epitome of this being of course teh austro-hungarians cca 1914.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of bots, lobbes is your idea to genesis lobbesbot ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aha. afaik that's the dogma to this day, "whenever you feel like someone's branch can be your genesis"
mircea_popescu: and otherwise to cap a very productive morning... are there any neglected issues ?
mircea_popescu: ah. alright. without prejudice to the principle, "can't make everything one single hairstrand", there's also the consideration that can't make the whole repuiblican scalp buzz-cut
mircea_popescu: trinque so you'd rather keep it as two separate items is the idea here ?
mircea_popescu: when they become something they could have been but weren't, they'll be something else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your brand of logical here is inadequate. the matter isn't what things could be.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the eminently usable trinque bot is what, iirc in hanbot's hands too she was contemplating doing soemthing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re kalash bullet, my usage list for kalash bullet is "lube generously, insert" not "put into rifle". so it makes sense to genesis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is against all things, gotta be dragged kicking and screaming over all thresholds.
mircea_popescu: first line in install being "install this other thing" is generally an indication item present can't be genesised. maybe not an absolute rule, esp if multiple priors involved. but if just one...
mircea_popescu: well for one thing, logbot can't stand up without ircbot.
mircea_popescu: trinque having read these two articles i dunno why they got independent genesises.
mircea_popescu: trinque you know the cursive "trinque" overwrites the top title on the page on my system ?
mircea_popescu: so im reading trinque.org now in hopes there's explainy.
mircea_popescu: i have been sitting here for 10 mins trying to figure out wtf this is, not getting any closer
mircea_popescu: phf how do i click on ircbot-multiple-channels to see what's there ?
mircea_popescu: so trinque you made two diff items that differ how ? one's the irc bot the other's the logger ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman some bits of code, such as heavily linked against standard hash etc would normally take a zillion reimplementations rereads etc anyways.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as logbot (bv item) has a genesis, it is not a branchoff. yes it imports from a different line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. kinda iirc the whole idea of the design at the time was for to be able to have this convo today.
mircea_popescu: it's basically mostly that + the keccac ada peterl wrote + some new stuff
mircea_popescu: the significant benefit of branch would be that this'd be the first in-the-field case to demonstrate this interprojects interop thing.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so what's your call, rather write as mpi branch or rather stand alone ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. my conclusion is ima do the eu-crypto as a new genesis, because really most of the koch crap in mpi (esp the prng crap) got dirtched
mircea_popescu: i am not interested in claiming any kochian pedigrees.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the alternative is to genesis it and then link downstream from ffa.
mircea_popescu: i meant, rather than make a genesis for eu-crypto, just make a branch of your mpi
mircea_popescu: (so in this sense saves them the hassle to v themselves ; though sigs welcome of course)
mircea_popescu: will take a public comment blogpost pass first, so ideally early next year
mircea_popescu: ima have diana_coman put the whole eulora crypto in vpatch form even if we're not yet advanced enough with the cleaning of codebase to use v properly.
mircea_popescu: well anyway, this'd be a great time to go through the slag, "items that didn't work list" see what other mpis are in there
mircea_popescu: phf do you have roughly the equiv of a "feed paste in here" slit for it ?
mircea_popescu: alright so then is this structure deemed seaworthy for a while ?
mircea_popescu: so then, it's more like a sort of curated "Best of" blogposts eh ? you go around reading people's blogs like the editor of old science mags, going "plox put this in format for editorial"
mircea_popescu: how is vtron currently fed, via email list thing jurov made ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you see it interoperate ? there's links in html, is more needed ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly did happen ? phf wrote a fine v parser ; jurov sweated white hairs getting an email system into alf-tip-top shape only for it to not be used as soon as it was got to work...
mircea_popescu: he wrote it, let him run it, and not be discouraged by "not forthcoming" or w/e happened there.
mircea_popescu: why would you build something else instead of using the something that already is ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what the benefit of publishing would be. so what, someone else runs it or what.
mircea_popescu: fine, so i read 'em when they were absent, woe unto me.
mircea_popescu: there's two major management problems with publishing : one if it's done heathenly, like alf does it, pastes and whatnot ; the other is subjective, "i published it so it's no longer my thing".