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asciilifeform: (as per the barrett brown sentence)
trinque: still, he said that much
asciilifeform: at least if 'it was not used in the commission of the crimes'
asciilifeform: at least we can take copies of 'declaration of independence' (the u.s. one, not mircea_popescu's...) to jail now
ben_vulpes: nah, give up trinque
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly that.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not surprised by that sort of record. :( Their prison population is a disgrace to humanity.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you have to excuse me, i come from a jurisdiction where sedition is considered the right and proper attitude of the citizen.
gribble: Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharing173129.html>; Treason - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason>; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)>
asciilifeform: ;;google treason never prospers for the reason
mircea_popescu: who knew the us holds the record for "longest held political prisoner"
mircea_popescu: outside prison." López Rivera is said to be "among the longest held political prisoners in the history of Puerto Rico and in the world." He has been jailed for 33 years, 8 months and 1 day.
mircea_popescu: In 1981, Oscar López Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer. His sister, Zenaida López, said he refused the offer because on parole, he would be in "prison
asciilifeform: that's the thing with sucking state cock, it's infinitely long
ben_vulpes: don't call the funny stuff funny, midnightmagic, they might erect you your own gibbet
ben_vulpes: including not calling the funny stuff funny
ben_vulpes: you gotta swear to all sortsa funny stuff
mircea_popescu: oh there's that.
trinque: pretty sure the round of patriot legislation covered everything
mircea_popescu: i would like to learn more about how one can make money by renting out the space inside his nose.
asciilifeform: hey kakobrekla, can we have a '! oath <argument>' - returns 'plotting or fomenting the physical murder of <argument> is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.'
mircea_popescu: i am in favour of deposing any kim, just as long as a) it's done violently and b) not by the us.
ben_vulpes: solar troughs don't build themselves.
ben_vulpes: nah, plenty of labor to go around.
mircea_popescu: possibly also not the right gender.
asciilifeform notes for the record (tm) that he is not in favour of deposing glorious fuhrer kim jong un, as that would be criminal, seditious, murderous, immoral...
ben_vulpes: shame, that.
mircea_popescu: basically, he's not the right age to run away from home with you vulpes.
ben_vulpes: you could be the first! best!
ben_vulpes: like the first time anyone's ever done so!
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no, srsly, that was good >D
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: As opposed to what? Pandering to the likes of you?
ben_vulpes: i'm just amused at the presentation
mircea_popescu: hey, guy's entitled to his own position.
ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> uh. just for the record << lol what inspired this insipid bit of authority pandering?
asciilifeform: if these somehow hiccup - then direct.
asciilifeform: presently the corvee labour is proxy, through taxation and debasement
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge.
midnightmagic: decimation: justified violence can take many forms including self-defence from immediate and credible threats to life and limb.
mircea_popescu: and i will be there to piss on its grave.
mircea_popescu: so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily.
decimation: midnightmagic: you would not resort to violence under any circumstances?
joecool: too bad he had to shove nina in lost+found
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. << this is a good principle. however, people starve best if they are surrounded by barbed wire manned by other people firmly decided to escalate force to any degree.
joecool: reiser4 is an excellent fs, i used to talk to some of his employees back when i maintained a patchset
mircea_popescu: pity deedbot's temporarily dead.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i added it to the bash for you. once jurov or some mod gets around to looking at it it may even show up
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: 4 times is probably enough for the nsa tape
midnightmagic: so. no offence, I'm pretty sure you guys aren't actually real seditionists, but I wanted to be on the record about what I think about violence.
decimation: he was the guy who wrote a filesytem; murdered his mail order bridge later
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i wonder how that works. << drugs are bad mkay ?
asciilifeform: as described in the mega-super book, 'the art of not being governed' (j.c.scott)
midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
decimation: orwell was probably trying to name his enemies, but 'utopian dreamers' seems more fitting
asciilifeform: but that it is not entirely impossible to find a pill against whatever kind of resistance
decimation: asciilifeform: "nationalism" strikes me as the wrong word here
asciilifeform: not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to'
asciilifeform: notably absent from the picture: fiat (or any other) currency, debased or otherwise
asciilifeform: who did not (afaik) make use of money, but had extensive system of slave labour (corvee labour, technically, form of taxation) and the closest thing to a totalitarian state they could pull off under their tech level
asciilifeform: particularly relevant here is that of the inca
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: if you're actually expecting to 'starve' the state by using bitcoin, you may end up somewhat disappointed. it lives on flesh, not money.
asciilifeform: ^ for reasons described in the 'last psychiatrist' essay linked to by mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform does not expect to outlive usg by very long
midnightmagic: financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood.
asciilifeform: 'if you saw a man drowning, and had the choice between saving him and taking a photo, what aperture and exposure settings would you use ?'
midnightmagic: fair game if it's a peaceful choice on the part of people.
midnightmagic: uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: there may be an experimental driver.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: if it fails, then, 'thought crime'
ben_vulpes: satoshi the thought-criminal.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to
asciilifeform: it works like this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999195 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i wonder how that works.
asciilifeform: the 'plea bargain' thing works by demonstrative public floggings like this
asciilifeform did not verify this
asciilifeform: 'At one point, before trial, Hans was offered a three-year-sentence if he pled guilty to manslaughter. He refused and will now serve at least 15 years behind bars.)'
danielpbarron: i'll look into doing openbsd later once i get the hang of this
danielpbarron: i've got archlinux on this thing now
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: He's sort of like an apostle. ☟︎
assbot: You rated user danielpbarron on 29-Jul-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Works at spreading teh words..
mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't have known there's such a thing as "french partisans" if there wasn't a 1945, either)
mircea_popescu: the tide, and suddenly all sorts of disparate and previously doomed forces are now converging.
mircea_popescu: (but to anyone not quite seeing the world for what it is : yes we are at war, and yes the year is about 1944, and yes the fucking nazis are running the fucking concentration camps and invaded russia and so on and so forth. you had no idera about it, but similarly you had no idea about it in 1944. the only reason this is being an issue is because the introduction of the bitcoin tank/bomber/submarine is massively turning
mircea_popescu: so what, anihilated by 2020, completely gone by 2050, hopefully we'll be smarter than to do it over.
mircea_popescu: that the socialists are doing the same thing...
mircea_popescu: what was the hands-down, no question asked, no doubt possible dominant party and c ultural force of the 1930s ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how well that worked for the nationalists is evident everwhere around us!
mircea_popescu: davout how do you know what the top is ?
davout: you'd kinda notice it quickly too if every other node you ask about this (N-1) block tells you to gtfo
davout: asciilifeform: yeah, there's that but unless you're maliciously partitioned away from the legit network it wouldn't be trivial to fool you
asciilifeform: work backwards to genesis block >> or to perdition
davout: see a bunch of nodes sorta agreeing on the same chain tip, take it, work backwards to genesis block easily since you can easily fetch previous block, once done verify chain and get back to usual bzns
davout: i'm kinda hesitating between genius and braindamaged for the following idea: what if the chain gets synced backwards from the top?
asciilifeform: al facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied.' (orwell/nationalism)
asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Materi ☟︎☟︎
davout: on an other topic, wrt to pogo plug chain sync
mircea_popescu: by washington agreeing with reddit that they did!
mircea_popescu: subjonctive died out in english because it was stupid, time to reimplement it out of javascript and call it something else!