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mod6: *nod* I
thought it was pretty speedy
tbh.
mod6: I'll make some blog posts (eventually) when i go
through setting up cuntoo and
the musltronic GNAT from ave1.
mod6: Ok, well, maybe
this isn't very useful
then. But will
throw it out here anyway. Good
to know
mod6: Haven't had a chance
to build it yet. I will do so, and a cuntoo when I get a chance.
mod6: The one caviat about
the
timings is
that I had
to
take out some of
the inlines and pragmas
to make it compile correctly. my GNAT 2015 version seems
to have some funkyness
to it -- we've actually discussed
this before. Wanna just see a wotpaste?
mod6: asciilifeform: congrats btw! I've been attempting very much not
to read ahead or anything, I still need
to work
through
the chapters. I did however build all of
the latest keccak vpatches in your vtree. I did some
timings on my old
test blox (core2duo) if you're curious.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
billymg: family is visiting
today so won't be around for
the rest of
the evening
though, back online
tomorrow
billymg:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-27#1883449 < quick update: using diana_coman's keccak-compatible v.pl,
the vpatch i posted before pressed without issue. will write up a blog post with details on
the patch, and another post with
the patch for
the svg file links
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:36 asciilifeform: let's model
the ideal prime-shitter. it would be an item
that
takes integer N , of whatever bitness, and produce
the Nth prime ( or eggog if
the Nth prime is bigger
than
the register bitness permitted. )
diana_coman: fwiw I like very much
that "pedantic"
there
diana_coman: sadly
though no amount of slow is any guarantee of perfection still
diana_coman: that's precisely why
the slow pace - I need a bit of fresher mind
to get back and read
through
the rest of ffa
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'll
try
to get
to it but more probably in January really
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 00:20 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722411 << 1 ) ffa is closed form. i.e. it CAN be written as a number of nand gates, with a 'funnel' at
the
top,
to which you present a,b,c, e.g. 4096bit, numbers, and at
the bottom in a little cup you get a^b mod c , and with NO UPWARDS FEEDBACK FLOW of information , i.e. answer comes after same interval of
time always, and with strictly downwards signals.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 13:52 asciilifeform: ( bonus is
that
the closed form is not only constant
time, but substantially faster on pc, nomoar branch prediction misses )
diana_coman: on one hand
there is what mircea_popescu says
that yes, by now and given
the
type of rot it's actually
to be expected; on
the other hand it's of
the sort
that still sounds...unbelievable, yes
mircea_popescu: not even ff reached 255 yet. but anyway, i
think
this is exhausted
mircea_popescu: so your reasoning was
that if some bits get left out
the koch is gonna eat
them ?
mircea_popescu: my objection inter alia is
that
this is not satisfied here ; makes us look like a bunch of retards.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental promise involved in
the concept of number, as a scalar measure of something
a111: Logged on 2014-04-29 22:56 asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (Hed been visibly shaking his head
through out
the
talk even before
this outburst.) How many bugs are we going
to
tolerate? he demanded. Seven,
Teitelman shot back.'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:58 asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely
thinking of
the bulk of
the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other
than
the religion where 'it is confusing
to ME, author, and
therefore Must Be Hard
To Break'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-28 17:15 mircea_popescu: seems
to me
the unspoken heuristic is, "large enough so it's not meaningful [and
therefore large enough
to not bother] and small enough so it's not larger
than some other number i
thought about".
mircea_popescu: right. and such a
thing as
typos in
those comments is possible.
this entire line is
the result of your ineffectual sideswiping.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me
the unspoken heuristic is, "large enough so it's not meaningful [and
therefore large enough
to not bother] and small enough so it's not larger
than some other number i
thought about".
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: yet our ideal is literate code, as in, docs in
the program.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's more
than
that : a)
that
there's such a
thing as a correct program ; b)
to which one can converge ; c) in a finite number of itemized steps ; d)
the count
therewhich can be known in advance.
mircea_popescu: the vpatch
that adds a "except if number is 5577, math doesn't work for 5577" is a VERY different patch from
the vpatch
that adds "here's a sentence ended by a comma
turned ended by a dot instead"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 17:09 mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates
the
trees for "convenience" so
to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse
trees.
mircea_popescu: the larger problem is "what is meant by a patch". i doubt
the item can survive ~even one~ major alterations. meanwhile "hey, you spelled
theyre with an apostrophe" needn't be counted (but need be fixed)
mircea_popescu: turns out he doesn't know ; in context probably dunbar's number is
the saner approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the discussion spawned from me going "wtf is
the POINT of even counting
to 255, nobody can fit such in head"
that
then merged into "how do you know ?" which resulted in
the predictable "i wonder how
the fuck does ~he~ know"
mircea_popescu: there's great cause
to attack at dawn : morale superiority.
there's also great cause
to attack at night, note eg dracula's not famous for attacking
the
turkish camp at dawn and nearly making sultan run off.
mircea_popescu: looky, management is a rational activity.
there's nothing wrong with hanging kids for having failed
to master spanish in
two weeks -- just as long as you can answer as
to how you came up wih
the
two weeks.
mircea_popescu: nature found 273.15 i suppose
the same way it computed ocean level ; but we're not quite equal
to nature.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure how
that kelvin
thing's supposed
to work ; notably bothj knuth and mod6 attempted it, but
the problem with starting with a number is
that you don't know what
to pick.