asciilifeform: xahlee: if you have an old key, try and dig it out. otherwise, make new one, i'll rate you.

asciilifeform: xahlee: intro reading -- http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/

asciilifeform: xahlee: there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log ( and elsewhere )

asciilifeform: xahlee: loper-os

asciilifeform: !!help

asciilifeform: xahlee: make a pgp key. register with deedbot,

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lispist

asciilifeform: xahlee: got a pgp key ?

asciilifeform: heya xahlee

asciilifeform: holyfuq a d00d finally answered asciilifeform's invitations

asciilifeform: !!up xahlee

asciilifeform: 'hey whaddayamean the-header-but-with-added-colour-and-styling ain't docs'

asciilifeform: these are pestilentially common in scriptinglanguages lands

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider also, the marvel from the other end of the idiocy stick, the 'autogenned docs'

asciilifeform actually and largely because of this sits ~allday and actually 'read mov push pop etc'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microshit docs are already pretty close to this.

asciilifeform: ^subj

asciilifeform: !~google kazakhstan you very nice place

asciilifeform: !#s kazakhstan you very nice place

asciilifeform: pumping systems adequate particulars in the create appliance >> oblig >> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-02#365844 ☝︎

asciilifeform: involves codes so that you hard work << bahahaha gold

asciilifeform: this afaik is new. ( 'slowbanning' was a thing in redditland, but iirc nobody had outright 'timeout' ban )

asciilifeform: ip ban whackamole ?

asciilifeform: 'was unmolested for the interval' suggests that at one time or another it had been molested

asciilifeform: how often it gets molested ( and what does this consist of ) ?

asciilifeform: pretty nifty.

asciilifeform: nomoar viaje ?

asciilifeform: oh heyheyhey lbj

asciilifeform: in other experiments, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767440 appears to hold true across all ffa chapters. ☝︎

asciilifeform: but we can come back to this laters.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: foreign corp is ready.

asciilifeform: what's that cost ?

asciilifeform: gotta be it

asciilifeform: to this day i have nfi why.

asciilifeform: in buenos aires, oddlyenuff, could walk all day in the sun, 0 creams, no hat, 0 burn.

asciilifeform: but that's at usa latitude

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's skin normally has same exposure timing as daguerre's photoplate. 20min and it's cooked

asciilifeform: ( and it was, what, 100km from where BingoBoingo is ? )

asciilifeform: odd, given as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736923 ☝︎

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: ftr i imagined BingoBoingo exactly like-so (possibly with slightly longer beard)

asciilifeform: oh hey neato.

asciilifeform: and it also has to be 'then WE would lose', because if it's 'heathen derps will lose', than guess how many fucks i give.

asciilifeform: the right hand of this syllogism has in turn two clauses, 'NO sane way' and 'xyzpqr are Important'

asciilifeform: and recall, we (hypothetically) are making a ~server~, not a client. so i'm looking for argument like 'if we lose HEAD, there is then NO sane way to do xyzpqr , where xyzpqr are Important and Useful Things'

asciilifeform: phf: i believe it. and even believe that phf saw it. was curious where , exactly, is all.

asciilifeform: i will admit to being at a loss what 'http dht' might mean.

asciilifeform: ( which is great, but imho other thread.. )

asciilifeform: trinque: yer thinking of moar along the lines of dht, as i understand, rather than www-style server

asciilifeform: and say you see that the 512b hash ~did~ change. then you ask for 'hash of left half , hash of right half' of tree. see which changed. etc. ~= binarysearch.

asciilifeform: mod6: aha

asciilifeform: trinque: sane manifest would be when you can, e.g., fetch 512bits of merkleroot hash and know that nothing in the whole box changed since last time

asciilifeform: so i suppose we have different personalexperiencesingoodfaith ☟︎

asciilifeform: even microshit seems to

asciilifeform: phf: in my experience in past decade, ~everybody supports resumed-downloads

asciilifeform: ( and yes i get it, for existing www, it's the only working knob, aside from get-with-0 )

asciilifeform: trinque: that's reasonable. but imho really oughta be done with sane manifests.

asciilifeform: why not give example. e.g. 'i crawl www and google doesn't support ranged GET' ☟︎

asciilifeform: well i thought we were having an argument, with facts...

asciilifeform: do you talk to ebcdic boxes also ?

asciilifeform: can haz names ?

asciilifeform: no srsly

asciilifeform: who has a server like this ? why do you talk to them ?

asciilifeform: maliciously idiotic design.

asciilifeform: now that's fuckedup ☟︎

asciilifeform: but every server has HEAD ??

asciilifeform: it would seem that it can do both of these

asciilifeform: phf: out of curiosity, why not 'get with 0' ?

asciilifeform: why should there be a knob for pinoys ?

asciilifeform: i dun even propose to kill HEAD because it is complicated to implement -- it isn't, as i understand. but because 'nobody but pinoys ever seemed to issue a HEAD at asciilifeform's www, in decade+' ☟︎

asciilifeform: q is , what can be helped.

asciilifeform: trinque: it cannot be helped ( while retaining the basic compat ) that they made '0 means anal'

asciilifeform: trinque: i don't dispute that http is trisomy victim. q is, can the brute be properly lobotomized and harnessed and do useful work with minimal overseering expense .

asciilifeform: what am i missing

asciilifeform: then why not 0 ?

asciilifeform: or however much you ~actually~ want

asciilifeform: why not e.g. range 1024 ?

asciilifeform: every knob in every spec that adds complexity, should have to defend itself, rather than be accepted 'because every walker is preshus'

asciilifeform: phf: and yes

asciilifeform: re HEAD, i began with the observation that 10+ yrs of reading UNPROCESSED www logs of my site, shows that HEAD is issued by no human browser ever, and in fact comes solely from obvious (in other ways) malware wormprobes

asciilifeform: possibly 1, or other, or neither

asciilifeform: trying to determine ~which~ heathenisms actually need

asciilifeform: phf: incidentally, why can't you achieve same effect as HEAD by using the 'chunked' feature of GET ?

asciilifeform: phf: exactly so

asciilifeform: can achieve exactly same effect locally.

asciilifeform: imho having HEAD is like calling a radio station and asking them to turn their volume down

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: the first two, get answered if i GET-and-immediately-abort . nao let's have an example of the last ?

asciilifeform: phf: what else..?

asciilifeform: rather than per-file

asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505197 << and prior ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 << apparently ☝︎

asciilifeform: !#s gopher

asciilifeform: pretty sure we had a gopher thread

asciilifeform: or are these 'pre importation price'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ?

asciilifeform: phf: i strongly suspect that nobody but gringo rubes ever order from these Official catalogues, or pay ANY vat, EVER ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and lol they do have ~1~ samsung in the catalogue : a 128GB msata ! )