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mircea_popescu: and the human civilisation is organised around the implicit currency of "Stored joules"
cazalla: related to running out of something.. techcrunch reports yesterday's bitcoin auction was the last of dpr's coins.. bloomberg quote usms as saying otherwise
mircea_popescu: you know, i'd like to read a sf novel which explores a future where technology has re-arranged deep magma of earth into a humongo battery
asciilifeform: but as ancient tech, for some reason not of interest to any existing manufacturer outside of china
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to mention the earth is about 80% nickel and iron by mass.
mircea_popescu: prolly not even cost a trillion.
asciilifeform: iirc there are 100+ year old examples which still function as rated!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, S.CARS would be pretty cool. a company that a) aspires atmospheric H2, b) fuses it into Li c) which it uses to make car batteries while d) the energy so produced it uses to make the cars and fill them up.
asciilifeform: the (very old!) nickel-iron battery is superior to Li (and all other extant chemistries) in all respects but energy density
asciilifeform: cazalla: most of orlov's mechanics apply to any kind of anglo world collapse, not necessarily 'petro-flavoured'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know how, then yes!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if you're gonna fuck, might as well make the chick you're fucking in the same go" ?
asciilifeform: if gonna fuse H to get it, may as well do it right in the car...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway
asciilifeform: (as well as the rest of the electro-junk in there)
mircea_popescu: yes, but that is considerably less explored a space.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moves the mineral question to the storage battery
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, practically, the peak oil thing is a lot less interesting now that electric cars have been demonstrated than 20 years ago. (dunno if you know, but this has been a fringe theory for > 50, almost 100 years by now)
asciilifeform: implies that you can dig up economically
asciilifeform: approx. 'useful shit to dig up'
mircea_popescu: you can't run out of carbon, ie, the element. but you can run out of, say, sugar. venus is a fine example.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oil is not a mineral in this sense tho.
mircea_popescu: but once the saudi flood is done, imo that's it, oil will only ever be expensive.
asciilifeform: no mineral 'runs out' like the air in a diver's tank
mircea_popescu: cazalla this decade is out of the question.
asciilifeform: (price spike - not necessarily large, economic convulsions leading to 'demand destruction', price drops, useless mouths resume proliferating, etc. rinse&repeat)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, whether you care or not would be influenced if you are to run out tomorrow or 100-200 years from now though
mircea_popescu: for that matter... it turns out there's not enough rare earths on earth to make an ipad for each person alive.
asciilifeform: implies the price going from reasonable to $maxint overnight, or the like
asciilifeform: cazalla: it is worth your while to become acquainted with the actual theory (vs the popular disinfo presentation of it) - rather than 'running out of oil', considerably more complicated (approximately, running out of -economical- oil)
mircea_popescu: cazalla it is elementary that if you keep taking out of a sack and never adding, eventually you run out.
asciilifeform: cazalla: the 'debunkings' are crude sham jobs to put the plebes to sleep
cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs
asciilifeform: airgapped: read the #b-a logs, there is a wealth of material on the subject
mircea_popescu: janyary my foot! omg! I GOT BUGS! THEY'RE MULTYPLYYNG
asciilifeform: (assuming one does not partake in the braindamage of using a node as a wallet)
asciilifeform: there is some conflation of unrelated things here
asciilifeform: for the lack of a clearly superior 'bang for the buck' elsewhere
airgapped: yes, will try this one
airgapped: I have been loking for minimal node for some time but there is no good option it seems
asciilifeform: and if you went to school and they didn't teach why this is, go and get your money back
asciilifeform: doesn't even matter if the radio is switched on
asciilifeform: in this case it doesn't even matter whether there are blobs
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2014 01:19:43; asciilifeform: our friends at ft. meade call this 'NONSTOP'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2014#564580 << thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: airgapped: if you want to carry out crypto on a chip with built-in radio, be my guest
asciilifeform: jurov: just built to get us in the rape pens quicker.
asciilifeform: jurov: we don't need to know -precisely- what kind of rape broadcom intends for us
asciilifeform: jurov: recall mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' heuristic? it applies here
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments) ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 21:52:21; asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 22:42:52; asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'raspberry pi' << terrible machine for the money, plus long history of disinformation and hype bordering on outright fraud: >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540882 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988359 etc ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ? ☟︎
airgapped: no I have no illusion that secure processor exists
asciilifeform: rather than an object that -categorically- does not exist, like a box inside which 1 == 2.
asciilifeform: airgapped: you still appear to be talking about it as something that could exist in essentially the same form pushed by scammers
airgapped: yes they call it secure but I fully agree these are just micros with crypto accelertion
asciilifeform: airgapped: and it never once occurred to you that it was not an entirely honest line of work ?
asciilifeform: if somebody walks in and 'i drop screaming nuns out of helicopters for their insurance money' there'd better be a good story at least.
asciilifeform: airgapped: and yet you introduced this as your line of work? care to justify ?
asciilifeform: or 'free energy machine' as they tend to be called now
asciilifeform: if you are neither of these things, it is still useful to know who is one of these two things.
asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: so the more specific the task of the chip, as is moreso the case with arm then general-purpose cpu, the easier it is to attack
asciilifeform: to make long story short (i am quite uncertain that making it longer will improve the understanding of anyone who does not already grasp the above) -
asciilifeform: because he is no longer firing at a 'moving target' but a bull's eye, so to speak.
asciilifeform: then the question of what changes he ought to slip into the masks at the fab becomes absolutely trivial
asciilifeform: but let's reverse course and suppose that i'm buying a very specific crypto asic
asciilifeform: if i'm buying 'fpga', and he doesn't have the exact bitstream, he's more or less shit out of luck
asciilifeform: though if he can get a real-time covert channel into my unit, he can perhaps accomplish something with a simple 'hidden debug' trick
airgapped: kakobrekla: thanks
asciilifeform: if i'm buying a general-purpose cpu, and he does not have a precise bitwise knowledge of what i intend to run on it, his options are rather limited
asciilifeform: say he can design anything, within reason, just in time
asciilifeform: say the enemy is baking custom silicon -just to slip into my supply lines-
asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?
asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: if you own electron microscope and have a couple of years free, and wish to do nothing else - then yes, possibly verifiable.
asciilifeform: if 'secure' but not user-verifiable, the only people against whom it attempts security is: you. the owner.
asciilifeform: no srsly, not much special expertise needed to see why this is an Intrinsically Bad Idea (TM)
danielpbarron: not that it matters, but telling a passphrase should surely be considered "testifying against yourself"
kakobrekla: its there
kakobrekla: at this stage they wont check vms as they are pretending to check if device is real device or real bomb only.
danielpbarron: what if i'm caught traveling with my private key ascii armored and printed on a sheet of paper? do they even know well enough to ask for a passphrase?
pete_dushenski: it's obvious that airport security is about as meaningfully useful as curtains on a submarine
pete_dushenski: jurov nah, it's just people getting fussed about the theatre
pete_dushenski: 'you're going to join isis! i know it!'
jurov: but really, do they routinely rummage through photos and documents? and when i have virtualbox on desktop, will they ask me to fire all the vms, too?
pete_dushenski: i'm pretty sure traveling is incriminating
danielpbarron: also, they already have those pictures, presumably
danielpbarron: is that incriminating? could be anything in that bong!
danielpbarron: what is to wipe on a phone that they don't already have? It's not like my keys are on the thing
kakobrekla: if you werent on this chan you could actually carry it as well hehe
jurov: wiping both my ntb and phone would appear completely insane to me
jurov: well... if i wasn't on this chan, i'd easily ended up carrying any to/from canada
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:31:33; nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044256 << this is no surprise, people watch tv, eat at mcd's, etc. ☝︎
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fderp-janyary-february-2015-combined-statement/
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:30:18; mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.