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a111: Logged on 2018-12-28 17:15 mircea_popescu: seems to me the unspoken heuristic is, "large enough so it's not meaningful [and therefore large enough to not bother] and small enough so it's not larger than some other number i thought about".
mircea_popescu: ie, one that has resolved the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883605 problem very strictly : "for this language, there is no better code" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in a sense, this is ~as much as we presently know~ of a ~perfect v tree".
mircea_popescu: but imo, the "number is divisible by two if last digit is divisible by two ; number is divisible by three if sum of digits is divisible by three ; number is divisible by five if last digit is divisible by five ; number is..." series is an EXCEPTIONALLY great model for the problem of "write software". because it is an ~ordered~ list of ~programs~, by its very nature. ordered ~by an implicit order of the problems~. and the resu
asciilifeform: there's a pile of soft that's actually gravely braindamaged, that needs replacement before ever get to www server.
mircea_popescu: but in the end, what's the rush even. trilema didn't croak yest, and so here we are, can focus on other things.
asciilifeform: all i know so far is that ditching c (esp. pointerism & heapism aspects) saves massive loc for given problem. but cannot quantify exactly what this means in re www servers.
mircea_popescu: so in truth we dunno, and as of yet we're not in a splendid position to guess yet, either.
mircea_popescu: nor of any god-made promise going "a www server you'd care to use can be made in less than x lines of y".
asciilifeform: all of this is entirely troo. i'm not yet aware of any cthulhu-grade maffs in www server tho.
mircea_popescu: (and there's also no rule the domain-extensions of "simple arithmetic" they require would be deemed comprehensible by chtulhu)
asciilifeform: ( see the gcd example. )
asciilifeform: the rule will include a constant, and that constant is at most as big as the prime itself
mircea_popescu: there's no rule they're short enough you'd consider them fit in head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean in the traditional school of digit manipulation.
mircea_popescu: but knowing the rule for a number being divisible by 119 is comparatively less easy.
asciilifeform: depends on 'benefits' neh. you can express any 'divisibility test' as a gcd with fixed param.
mircea_popescu: obviously it's ~extremely advantageous~ to know that "the number two quintillion quadrillion one is nevertheless divisible by 3".
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, the ~complexity of their statement~ grows faster than the benefits.
mircea_popescu: consider the item i was discussing with the girls last nigyht over coffees : there ~are~ rules for divisibility of integers for ~any~ integer, not just 2 or 3 or 5 or 9.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 14:29 asciilifeform: upstack to apache -- half a million loc of C is still half a million loc of C , even if by all appearances 'works solidly for yrs'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889138 << there is no absolute guarantee the solution to a problem you come up with is going to be shorter than a number you like. ☝︎
asciilifeform: perfectly-spherical whores tho, with no holes, camwhore without cam, software whore without software, in keeping with 'fish counter where we have no fish to sell'
mircea_popescu: ceterum autem censeo, there's no fucking difference between random "career" whore and random cam whore. they're the exact same identical physical item.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-17 06:41 mircea_popescu: The apparent murder of journalist Ahmed Divela is chilling. Ghana is recognized by many, including me, as a vibrant, strong democracy and an example for the continent in many ways. " meanwhile in related lulz.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-21 15:48 mircea_popescu: oh, and, of course : "Latest activity PetiteGoddess21 posted a journal entry on her profile titled “ill sell whatever you want”: about 10 hours ago I'll sell whatever you want ;) ( including videos, pics ,sexting, etc) if got all types of cloths for sale and request how you want them and how many days worn you want I'll also include a video of me playing in them , using them or anything else ... continue reading → "
mircea_popescu: i do not know exactly why, but both in case of mysql and apache, the cocksuckers ( http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888849 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-17#1887990 items from before, and may it never be forgotten what they EXACTLY ARE) got sent packing to "make their own" that nobody gave a shit about. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun like to 'power ranger' ( as you called it in old essay ) a problem.
asciilifeform: ( mass-wise, apache is considerably closer to the mass of e.g. gcc, than trb ; but on other hand seems to need less massage as it is, as mircea_popescu fond of pointing out, it largely worx )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889102 << exactly, not only this. potentially also other items, in re which still working through 'rtfm'.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889134 << the discussion died (i have no doubt under exact same "gotta rsfm" pressure), but we were talking 2016ish about needing own protocol (meanwhile in practice eulora is trying udp and that may even prove sufficient, eg). but yes, tmsr router obviously premature. ☝︎
asciilifeform: e.g. trb , grew from acorn of tarball supplied by mircea_popescu in '14.
mircea_popescu: well if nothing else, we have to put something into eventual cuntoo downstream, along with db and so on.
asciilifeform: but imho standardizing the pile of ??? can't possibly hurt.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is prolly the farthest thing possible from an expert wwwist, if that wasn't already obvious. so cannot presume to say how.
mircea_popescu: i suspect having people well experienced in such things with toy buttons first is the way to go.
asciilifeform: i suspect that nailing down the stack ~bottom first~ would help.
mircea_popescu: that was my preferred angle to approach this problem, and so far we're in 2019 working on mid-2017 tasks.
mircea_popescu: but i am discouraged by the result of the training exercise for this matter, where apparently in spite of attempts to standardize the infinitely more complex mp-wp, the result was similarly tower of bable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ima think on this
asciilifeform: right nao errybody got a diff set of knobs, tower of babel.
asciilifeform: then can at least begin to enumerate the possible knobs.
mircea_popescu: item as pristine out of box has a dozen or so dimensions and subdimensions that hafta be fit into place, it's not ~really~ pret a porter (chiefly because one selling "all purpose cloth" can't sell it pre-cut)
asciilifeform: indeed is. would still like to have a historical one tho.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 17:32 asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight
mircea_popescu: and the bitch of it is, very widely configurable thing, and without proper configuration... well, it's ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820583 problem. ☝︎
asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu have a apache tarball to sign ('as found') and share for cuntoo etc, a la gpg-1.4 ?
asciilifeform: ( exactly as gcc is the only presently-working general-purpose c compiler, etc )
mircea_popescu: seems to be converging that way.
asciilifeform: it's afaik the only currently working http spitter.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, if you look at it functionally, apache (however scraped of fungus) is the reason can even read trilema today.
asciilifeform: ( if you look only at the top of the fungus, nothing at all is visible but fungus )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in each item's case, i'm interested in what's ~beneath~ the fungus
mircea_popescu: so i suppose ~in that limited sense~ it can be said "same thing". but it is limited enough for the alternation of seats to be in the end not surprising but rather to be expected.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 19:29 mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-17 06:41 mircea_popescu: The apparent murder of journalist Ahmed Divela is chilling. Ghana is recognized by many, including me, as a vibrant, strong democracy and an example for the continent in many ways. " meanwhile in related lulz.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-21 15:48 mircea_popescu: oh, and, of course : "Latest activity PetiteGoddess21 posted a journal entry on her profile titled “ill sell whatever you want”: about 10 hours ago I'll sell whatever you want ;) ( including videos, pics ,sexting, etc) if got all types of cloths for sale and request how you want them and how many days worn you want I'll also include a video of me playing in them , using them or anything else ... continue reading → "
mircea_popescu: kernel, the functional core of it anyways, upon which all these entirely worthless http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888849 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-17#1887990 attention whores are hoping to base their wholly imaginary "careers" and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885512 etc, is about same vintage and about same quality as apache. ☝︎☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: nao tbf could even make same observation re emacs ( it's never the 1970s c core that bombs, always extension script that hangs ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and even taking the epsilon% remaining, 99+% of when THAT crashed it was because fucking drepper & co "upgraded" some shit.
mircea_popescu: linux kernel has a gash in itself, where "it gotta work with firmware" or "modules" or w/e the crap. 99+% percent of the time kernel crashed it wasn't the fucking kernel.
asciilifeform: ( which is moar than can be said for, e.g., linux kernel )
mircea_popescu: hat can be said of the interweb at large.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 17:01 asciilifeform: for instance, asciilifeform has '9000' processes on this and other boxen, where uses 'screen+bash+etc for tards' even though theoretically 'could emacs' ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869024 ) , because they ~must not crash~ and emacs is unthreaded and hosable
mircea_popescu: the fucking insanity, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882561 ; the particular apache running trilema has ~never~ crashed. nor do i expect it ever will ; nor can i conceive how the fuck "it's open to all comers on a net interface" can even begin to be equated with "it's facing me and my keyboard and that's all". you're not ~trying~ to fucking crash emacs, are you ? on the fucking contrary, which is the ~exact contrary~ of w ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( it's the motor that powers e.g. m-r , and also underpins the proof that rsa pub:priv pairing is unique )
asciilifeform: speaking of old maffs, turns out there's at least 11 classic proofs of fermat's 'little' theorem, incl. a combinatorial one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i promise to come back to the item laters, when have with what to illustrate.
mircea_popescu: yea, here's how they resemble : 1. "why are you wearing that old rag ?" "it's pretty" "maybe it was" "same difference" "mkay" vs 2. "why are you using that old math ?" "itworks" "maybe it did" "also". 1===2~!!!1111
asciilifeform: 'hands off my beloved 20yo softs! they work!'
asciilifeform: lol this begins to resemble the emacs thrd, but with asciilifeform & mircea_popescu switched chairs
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 14:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889097 << with engine, you can compute the efficiency ( joules out / joules in ) and even get ~exact estimate of how much useful work engine of particular size will do. but with shitware..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889130 << the numbers are right there, what. so-and-so mp's box does so and so requests. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it aint a bug. the bug is in the brain of whoever installs that os, where there is no user-controlled wot mechanism.
asciilifeform: ok , having read this, i gotta laff, this is yet-another 'oh noez doesn't use usg.pki like inca commanded' 'bug' ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol, there's 1 of these erry other month or so
asciilifeform: meanwhile, among the kipling aficionados , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2892&cpage=1#comment-19779
asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform currently , sweating out a proper proof of correctness for m-r . ( subj of ch. 16 ). after that, will remain to add iteration to ffacalc; then , keccak.
a111: 2019-01-09 <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
asciilifeform: ( i think he is stuck in some meatspace limbo just nao )
asciilifeform: iirc phf attempted also to use it, to make a framebuffer driver in ada, but i dun recall if he ever returned with output
a111: Logged on 2019-01-21 00:07 asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's o(1) tx indexer ( will be welded to an experimental bdb once i get the mmap thing resolved ) there's a 2-level storage -- a 'write-once' o(1) index for blox of age N ( N can be 100-500 in practice ), and a much smaller rewritable one kept strictly in ram ( for 'recent' blox, where the longest chain is potentially movable )
asciilifeform: ( ftr the only application in asciilifeform's pipeline for mmapism currently is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888650 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( i hesitate to use genericism at all until i properly grasp how the fuck it worx )
asciilifeform: ftr i also do not yet know why the variant where 100% of the lib is genericised, worked
diana_coman: atm hands full so indeed, won't be able to do anything about it anyway
asciilifeform: and then genesis.
asciilifeform: when i have a free hand or 2, i'ma apply diana_coman's published method to the thing and see whether cured.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: unless you desperately need mmap in your own proggy, i recommend not to bother with it nao
diana_coman: anyways, I'll go and dig into the comms protocol some more
diana_coman went and re-read the thread
diana_coman: I suppose you can at least try and check whether standalone static might cure it, though still weird
asciilifeform: note that mmap is not a front burner item currently for asciilifeform - i dun need it in ffa, will come back to it after.
asciilifeform: i sawed on it for some weeks then, but only additional find was that any attempt at using controlled_limited from inside a static lib gave same effect.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the breakage is documented in the linked thread. it ends up shitting out a reference to an undefined symbol ( of meaningless numeric name ) on which linker then chokes.
diana_coman: but so uhm, it builds with a main fine but it fails if you try to build it as a lib - why?
diana_coman: hm; earlier I used "standalone" as "standalone lib" because there is such a thing: it means precisely that it includes ada run-time
asciilifeform: ( when built as standalone, rather than lib, it builds and functions as specified)
asciilifeform: it is actually a complete proggy, correct per the ada standard, but currently doesnt build on acct of the gnat bug described in the linked thread.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: phf: the 'horsecocks' one requires pointerism to be enabled; the new one does not