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asciilifeform: i can't speak for europistans, but in 'new world' this is a dire problem, there largely ~aint~ any good book.
asciilifeform: lol i had this ~erry time i walked into a course
diana_coman: since you were asking re "noob diana_coman": while at Uni, 2nd year or so, I had this outburst at some point: wtf IF only you'd recommend a GOOD book ffs instead of all the bullshit
asciilifeform: some folx write to kill tree, others -- to actually get the material across to reader.
asciilifeform: d00d knew how to avoid bloating.
diana_coman: hmmm, is it really THAT good?
diana_coman: to know what to ignore, that's the...skill
asciilifeform: and dun intend to touch the remainder .
asciilifeform: i ate http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893054 cover to cover, but read maybe 4 ch of barnes. ☝︎
asciilifeform: that whole chunk of the lang that one is simply better off ignoring
asciilifeform: i'd even say that 80+% of the thing consists of rakes, by mass
diana_coman: myeah, true; just wanted to point out this sort of rakes for potential noobs out there
asciilifeform: ( and the standard docs, but go an' try to learn lang from those )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a pretty dubious b00k. problem is, i dun have anyffin to recommend to engl. readers other than it
diana_coman: speaking of Barnes' Ada book: it IS very useful and I certainly do go back to it quite often still for all sorts but it still has at times such ideas that I can't stand; e.g. "The reader will probably feel that the activation mechanism is somewhat elaborate. However, in practice, the details will rarely need to be considered. They are mentioned in order to show that the mechanism is well defined rather than because of their everyday import ☟︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure i didn't dream it tho.
asciilifeform: hrm, dun seem to be in the log.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lol, didnt mircea_popescu once mention that he did landau & fr in 1 shot
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893054 -> that must be THE way to learn languages: 2 at a time, russian+ada in one go to not feel like wasting time ☝︎
diana_coman can't quite make her mind: already/only TEN years ?
diana_coman: feeding into the earlier discussion re noobs: of those 14 accepted entries to that competition (+6 failed entries and supposedly out of ALL the Romanian blogs), only 7 still exist online and anyway stopped writing in 2011 -2014
asciilifeform: imho ~still~ the a++ best intro text.
asciilifeform: ( there's a built-in pun in the title, Адское ~= 'from hell' )
mircea_popescu looking back has had SUCH a strapping good time!
mircea_popescu: mazel tov!
mircea_popescu: you're right, that'd be the correct entrypoint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc Mocky actually captured all of the old ada threads in his review
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 00:56 mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. << that's neat. thought we were leaning towards the '95 standard?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for completeness, the matter was more or less disposed may 2016 : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462227 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-26 19:36 asciilifeform: none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu already teaches meat kindergarten, i dun expect he'd want moar for anyffin
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:06 diana_coman: but that's the point: side-channels are permissive, #trilema is not; and on the sharp end of it, coming in too early can result in negrate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892758 << i specifically ~don't~ read them, among other real or imagined reasons specifically so i don't end up galled by some random infantilism and then carry it about. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 20:00 mircea_popescu: i guess ima put this in the report, "lost cto to binge reading ancient html site"
asciilifeform: lol i've been trying ~not~ to collect moar http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892390 fodder, will have to shelve for laters. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun actually know the orig story of diana_coman
mircea_popescu: she'd have no trouble at all getting an invite, huh ? such is the payoff of hard work!
asciilifeform: i do wonder what diana_coman was like as a noob tho
mircea_popescu: and it works equally well with the dead, it's the time when eg lardner ended up in log. and so on.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't map directly, but if diana_coman were a noob that'd be the time i'd be like, "btw guise..."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 21:00 mircea_popescu: now, it seems to me the case that since there's little benefit in having more threads than cores, it is perfectly acceptable (in this situation) to hold these in an array set as to whatever maximum is reasonable. 32 or 64 or whatever count.
mircea_popescu: eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891844 happened specifically because "hm, this private convo... shouldn't die in smg boardroom". not the first time, either. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:00 diana_coman: fwiw my current (even recently updated!) rule for "when to invite" is ~ "when they are either asking intelligent questions in side-chan already OR have made something useful OR have a concrete, interesting proposition explored first in side-chan"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892752 << very much self-solving, "by the time they ask things that result in discussions you regret not having in #trilema"... well... why regret. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. 'adult' prog lang, with functions, variables, loops (with capped # of max ticks) etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 22:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When do you anticipate having brain space/time available to revisit the mechanization thread?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma get to it at some pt. currently hands full with 1) ffa 16b & 17 2) looking into to whom we gotta http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892227 3) speccing components for 2nd rk plant ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect it would do you well to carve out some time this week or next to take in the tract on America. The off season devolution models this very much and can't fairly be summarized.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that was, very livresque reference to elliott, the whole foot thing.
mircea_popescu: "defective". which, technically, it is.
asciilifeform: ( only to then contract 'phantom' )
asciilifeform: is this how folx end up lopping off own limbs etc ?
mircea_popescu: ~all~ nerve terminations can itch ; only skin nerve contains the "scratched" response.
mircea_popescu: soothes, but not scratches. the problem with scratching is that the loop completer is only implemented in skin.
mircea_popescu: this is a good point. heroin addict cold turkey itches INSIDE THE VEINS.
BingoBoingo: Hedonistic adaptation, they always itch. Can't care
mircea_popescu: takes some intensity to off self.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how does that scratch the itch of life tho. if 'want to get along', why not eat pistol sooner rather than later
mircea_popescu: erryone got a compass. however, the two most widely sold models point squarely to Mom and own dick.
BingoBoingo: What, the JWZ's just wanna be, wanna get along
asciilifeform: wat do they ~do~ when wake up ? drag to the slop bucket like prikoke ?
asciilifeform: what i never had ~any~ grasp on is the folx without ~any~ compass.
asciilifeform: even prior to republic, asciilifeform had a rudimentary compass, where 'comp would be a nifty item if it actually worked, nao where are there any people with half a brain who might care to see it fix'
mircea_popescu: as you never put any deliberate effort into studying such, your only model is built passively and as you've been spending less and less time in the soup...
mircea_popescu: i believe this may well be true.
asciilifeform suspects that his mental model of heathen is actually ~deteriorating~ with time
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also tru. i have nfi for instance re whether e.g. Framedragger , halted << iirc hooked on socialism?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 15:04 mircea_popescu: there he sits, remote in hand, "checking to see if there's anything interesting on the tv". are we ready to entertain him yet ? or does he come back later ?
mircea_popescu: precisely for the stated reason, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869074 ☝︎
asciilifeform: still puzzled re why reappeared if never bothered to read log.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read through his www, when he reappeared, and assumed that showed up on acct of having eaten log and having clue.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:34 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i have quite a few items in own notebook similar to yours, from decade+ ago. lemme guess, were you stuck on uninhabited island ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:30 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ever read the #trilema logs ? or just this minute found it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reviewing history, there's a lot of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1853976 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854006 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854010 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854019 and so following. now, as a factual matter, the dood DID NOT give a shit, september to february. may i ask for my own curiosity what informs the "teachable" part in "teachable noob" ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
lobbes_field back to mines, bbl
phf: it feels more sophisticated with an "i" in there
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 week, 0 days, and 15 hours ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch.16, ty
phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html? ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, i actually thought it was avoidable somehow
lobbes_field: Fwiw when I first started reading logs/trilema in 2014, I alternated between lost/confused/disturbed/intrigued. Then I stopped reading entirely for almost 6 months. Then finally it "hit me like a shit ton of bricks (tm)" and I realized I -had- to start doing (i.e. there was no choice if I wanted to actually make a mark on the world)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only , but took 3+y of republic to wake up to that particular job needin' doin
mircea_popescu: this is very much a point. gotta find a prior, and to find you must look for it.
asciilifeform: can say 'republic' but it's just a string to'em
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 17:18 asciilifeform: back when asciilifeform was spending his days putting robot arm through glass doors etc
mircea_popescu: whether you're willing to confront this or not, it's still factual that ~you~ wrote ffa at least ~in part~ because republic, and left to your own devices entirely you'd conceivably be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892360 to this very day! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but still, by the time the one important thing, important to the exclusion of all others, was NEVER mentioned... something's wrong. i mean, just like http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/ except in the flavbour of... the republic without republic ? what possible sense does this make ?
asciilifeform: seems like mircea_popescu's method beats the 'soft' 1 tho -- better that heathen shits himself outside of the gate than in
mircea_popescu: i happen to prefer excluding hard and early, but it's entirely my business, not some kind of universal model.
mircea_popescu: i am not saying here you must always lead with the http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/#selection-145.1-145.46 (tm) or the equally celebrated http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/#selection-25.0-25.85 (tm).
asciilifeform: also tru. i have nfi for instance re whether e.g. Framedragger , halted
mircea_popescu: this "convo moves" thing is as decidable as "computer never halting"
mircea_popescu: so then. "convo dun move no moar after that" means ~little. spyked was reading trilema early enough, as evident in the various antiqua he can drag in. then... convo moved no more after that... for what, eyars ? and then it moved.
asciilifeform: i'ma stick to 2 unless somebody suggests a viable 3.
mircea_popescu: seems both produce the same amt of noob, ie , 0, but 2 produces less negratings. still better neh ?
mircea_popescu: but let's compare outcomes. 1) alf talks to noob, elides any mention of republic, noob passes whatever lite-qualifications, comes here, gets negrated ; 2) alt talks to noob, mentions republic, noob runs off screaming.
asciilifeform: not for so long as we dun need the new spleen cells for anyffin.
mircea_popescu: is this a bad thing ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 16:30 mircea_popescu: the republic both wholly owns and actually made "their town", as well as themselves and everything else. the relationship is exactly of the nature of http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/#selection-119.75-119.401