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jurov: If it's worth
the clutter.
jurov: BingoBoingo: I'm more likely
to bid on smaller amounts, 500 wff is fine. Maybe you can split
the sum into several auctions.
BingoBoingo: That's healthy and consistent with your necessary
turning of
the screws since
the 2017 power cycling incident
to accelerate
the purging of hallucinated optionality.
mircea_popescu: i personally am not generally bidding because broadly i want
this
thing
to develop its own network and narrowly it's just
twenty
times
the cost in overhead for whatever benefit it might produce, sorta like carrying strawberries by
the boat one by one.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if
there is something I can do whether
that is standardizing
the length of auction, day of
the month it starts, duration, etc feedback is welcome.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: risky enough. dood who failed
to bid when he was supposed
to is much less likely
to go "oh,
this high invoice is what i deserve for my failure" and rather "o no, bill
too high, won't pay [nevermind
that i made it
too high by being deliberately stupid,
that shouldn't count, nobody should ever have
to do anything]"
BingoBoingo: One
temper on zero start auctions would be
that
the auction result determines
the price basis for invoicing. Insane auction result leads
to insane invoice.
BingoBoingo: Right, especially as after dropping
the implied rate for
take 2 and keeping
that rate
through
takes 3 and 4
the spread between a low price not getting bids and what local liquidity is offering have grown.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you might do
the 0-start auction and force people
to either bid or lose out.
tho
that risky, "market can remain insane for much longer
than you can remain solvent":
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
This month I suspect I may have
to.
BingoBoingo: I need
to know what changes
to how I have been handling auctions would get people in WoT
to start bidding on auctions.
mircea_popescu: other
than
that, from what i've seen i believe he's probably right, lilo setup possibly fucked your grub at some juncture. it'd be great
to extract
the juncture if at all possible.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of
trb
that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st.
the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however
the last
time it
touched any files was
two weeks ago, nor does a call
to getinfo ever return.
mircea_popescu: so either write
the blog article or don't ; but in any case be like "yo
trinque,
the problem's X, reproducible
through Y, approach a dun work because q happens, approach b dun work because w happens, wut do ?"
mircea_popescu: hence
the encouragement
to go write a blog article about it --
the idea is
that "well, maybe he's not so good at being succint, but if he's stuck
telling
the whole story
then organisation will necessarily emerge for him from it".
mircea_popescu: but if
these aren't structured in
the manner where
they're useful... unsurprisingly enough,
they can't be used.
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt
that you, as anyone who uses computers, occasionally encounters error messages, and occasionally has problems.
mircea_popescu: mod6 no man,
the difference ain't
that one's
topic is ada and
the other's
topic is cuntoo.
the difference is
that she said "here's
the
top level problem, here's
the list of possible solutions, here's
the failure mode of each, let me know if either
the list's missing an item or wtf." ; you said "here's an error message pasted and i've been having problems".
mod6: Guys, I'm gonna work on
this blog post,
then unbury myself from
the latest 5" of snow
that just landed on me. Let's
take
this all back up when
this is done.
trinque: if I hated you, I'd let you proceed and negrate you in a few months. I personally
tire of $howOneAppears being
the aim, instead of
the side-effect of *doing
things*
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:14 mod6: So during
this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get
to work. Upon initial suspicion
that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on
that also. Same error. So I at least removed
the variable of "disk is bad".
trinque: you're evaluating
things
towards
the purpose of avoiding negative reflection upon you, rather
than from
the cause of your circumstances.
thus when I ask you what was on your workbench when
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894746 happened, you either don't know or shy away from saying.
☝︎ BingoBoingo: I suggest lifting head, making some hot chocolate,
taking a walk
to dump some adrenaline off and get a bit of calm,
then returning.
BingoBoingo: I'm seeing less punches and more error reports being presented in response
to
the way you are composing your own error reports. It's an error cascade.
mod6: I mean "lately" as in,
the last year or so... which is fine. I should have just started blogging immediately instead of
trying
to resolve my issues for 10 days.
trinque: mod6: is it possible you're just a bit
too focused on feelings here?
BingoBoingo: For my own selfish reasons I want
to see what you hit your head on, because
there is a very real chance when I go
to
try
things I will also hit my head on
the same rocks
☟︎ mod6: I
tend, lately
to stay away from asking
trinque questions, as I seem
to get punched in
the face as opposed
to helpful responses.
BingoBoingo: mod6:
The closest computers have come
to
the promised "intelligence amplified" I have ever seen is when detailed error reports in
this channel and less frequently #pizarro and #asciilifeform yield detailed feedback.
mod6: Well, if your frustrated with me, I apologize. I'm just
trying
to get
this up and going so I can
test Keccak
TRB on here.
mod6: Also, I'm remembering now,
trinque,
that I did ask alf about my inital hang
that I had in #piz. He suggested
that I had a kernel problem, but I never did really ask about it otherwise. I just
tried
to solve my own problem.
trinque invites a
terse machine-gunning
to
the face of mod6's notes
mod6: Anyway, I
think I'm just a bit frustrated.
mod6: Well, it seemed
to me
there was a pretty lengthy conversation about Ada
threading issues over
the last
two days, I didn't want
to make my problems (with a possible questionable box)
the center of attention for everyone.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:00 mod6: Well, during
the information gathering of my blog post, I went
to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome
to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different
than
the normal gr
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:02 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say
that I failed
to find a way
to
terminate
the program if/when one of
the
tasks is just looping infinitely ; I
tried: abort of
the looping
task -> nothing,because
task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from
the main program -> still stuck because apparently it
takes it
to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent
tasks stopped
too!"; raising an uncaught except
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:54 mod6:
trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so
terse? Because I don't want
to flood #t with a
ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right.
This shit has
to get cleaned, and
turned into an actual library collection rather
than CMU subsidizing Google.
mircea_popescu: this without even going into ridiculous nonsense a la "We produce about
two million dollars for each hour we work.
The
time it
takes us, a rather conservative estimate, is fifty hours
to get any etext selected, entered, proofread, edited, copyright searched and analyzed,
the copyright letters written, etc.
This projected audience is one hundred million readers. If our value per
text is nominally estimated at one dollar
then w
BingoBoingo: mod6: Start bringing out
the error reports earlier. It's one very good use of a blog, you compile detailed output of
the problem condition and
then drop
the link here.
mircea_popescu: it very well fucking is not. it's not even remotely as important. having usg.cmu or usg.anything-else spew on actual literature is nothing short of vandalism. i don't want
their grafitti, and i don't care why
they
think
they're owed it.
mircea_popescu: and in any case uncountenable view whereby
the fucktarded usgistan is at least more important
than fucking shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and it is VERY HARMFUL fucking junk. having "All donations should be made
to "Project Gutenberg/CMU": and are
tax deductible
to
the extent allowable by law. (CMU = Carnegie- Mellon University)." or "Copyright laws are changing all over
the world, be sure
to check
the copyright laws for your country before posting
these files!!" in
the lede of "The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare" promotes a most harmful
mod6: Because after all
the gentoo problems I had back in '15, I wanted
to be sure
that I had exausted all
the
things before bringing
this forward.
trinque: why did 10 days elapse without a clue entering
the forum?
this is
the "lets do business in #pizarro"
thing again
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
the one question lingering here is : as ada actually elaborates an init and an exit, as it must, since it does in fact compile, whether
there's a way
to use
these correctly in lieu of "call C-mommy
to change diapers".
trinque: I give even odds
the lilo step of
the script
trashed your grub. one would love
to know why.
trinque: nobody's even
talking about mod6's standing or intelligence here.
trinque: I'm certain
the cuntoo script is *not done* which is why I'm having folks
test it, but I want more out of
these
tests
than "ow, it wasn't a debian installer"
mod6: I've conducted quite a bit of work over
these last 10 days, and I know mod6 seems like a "n00b" and "doesn't know what he's doing", but I have managed
to install gentoo quite a few
times since '15. But yeah, always learning.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 ->
this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation
that indeed,
that's an unrecoverable error state; so
this sounds good: if child
task doesn't die when aborted
then kill self (taking
the
task with self
too ofc); I'll experiment with
this but afaik so far it should work
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:26 mod6: yup, ok
that seemed
to do
the
trick. no idea how mbr or bootloader would have been corrupted.
trinque: so stop being afraid and start coughing me up some deets like we did for what, years on end with
trb,
to great benefit of all
mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so
terse? Because I don't want
to flood #t with a
ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
☟︎ trinque: shinohai: lol at
this rate I'm calling it a high priority feature request.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
That was my motivation for
the question. How much junk can be cut in
the collection management process on
the way
to having a library
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:41 spyked: BingoBoingo,
that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file
types and
their sizes,
then will add
them
to
the post.
shinohai: Will
the "it
ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother" be a feature in next version of bootstrapper?
trinque: whatever ritual you prefer. I'm sitting right here, wondering wtf
this angular communication is.
mod6: trinque: I'm getting
there, it'll be in
the blog post.
trinque: "doesn't know where
the kernel lives" or "kernel starts logging
things and hangs when
trying
to mount root" or "it
ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother"
trinque: lilo does what when
they attempt
to boot?
trinque: like, "neither boot". why doesn't
that come with some context?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:55
trinque: btw
this means
that e.g. what mod6 is experiencing are more likely
to be "I need
to go understand kernels and lilo better"
than "cuntoo is broken"
trinque: mod6: you really need
to push
through
this "I have 3 broken
things and no idea why,
time
to junk
the box" impulse.
diana_coman: basically
the "hard stop" means *at most*
that "next statements won't run" but not at all
that "thread will stop"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, and anyone else interested in
testing Ada's failure
to abort, minimal
test setup: ossasepia.com/available_resources/test_tasks_ada.zip
☟︎ mod6: yup, ok
that seemed
to do
the
trick. no idea how mbr or bootloader would have been corrupted.
☟︎ mod6: files backed up. ok, well, i've re-run `grub-install /dev/sda && grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg`. we'll see if
this resolves it.
BingoBoingo: I suspect
there's space for error in
the process of setting up and keeping up
the filesystems
that will persist without regard for how many boxes get junked along
the way
BingoBoingo: But, you can read
the disks with a liveCD running
mod6: I
think I'm just going
to junk
this box.
mod6: But
that's what I've got now. 2 250Gb SSDs with Cuntoo on
them, neither boot, and now a 500Gb Gentoo disk
that has worked perfectly up until just
this very moment, which also doesn't boot.
mod6: So during
this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get
to work. Upon initial suspicion
that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on
that also. Same error. So I at least removed
the variable of "disk is bad".
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Don't waste your
time with something requiring an involved install, something
that
takes a couple clicks an
tosses up a heathen linux on a junkpile disk should be fine.
BingoBoingo: If you've got an extra or leftover SATA disk lying around, see if you can
throw an OS on it and boot
the OS using
the machine in question.
BingoBoingo: I suspect file system corruption is more likely.
This may mean hardware failure or it could mean an accumulation of small errors piling up during
those power cycles.
mod6: Anyway, I'll dig up
the artifacts off
the gentoo disk with
the Live CD and still make a post. But regardless, I
think I'm gonna have
to buy a new machine
to mess with
this any further.
mod6: What a nightmare.
This box has been rock-solid for nearly a year, but now I suspect
that perhaps
this is a hardware problem with
the MB or something? Perhaps
the 78 power-cycles and SATA disk swapping
that I did over
the last 10 days
totally hosed
the machine itself.
mod6: I can still access
the disk via Live CD... so at least I can get
the data off
the drive.
mod6: Well, during
the information gathering of my blog post, I went
to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome
to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different
than
the normal gr
☟︎ diana_coman: it reported dutifully
that
thread got sig_abrt but
then it was still
there and ...nothing
diana_coman: and it shows
those
tasks still
there; ALSO: from within Ada, you can
tell: if your code does abort
Task_X and
then check
Task_X'Terminated , it'll still be false (idem 'Callable still
true)