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asciilifeform: i demand X, even values of X i don't yet know about.
phf: dat patch, can take them to water, can't make them drink
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411948 << have you looked into 'ed' diffs? but yes, they can't rename directory either. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but i can't promise this, and can't be bothered to test, for reasons already described.
polarbeard: I won't be adding unnecessary code to init.scm
asciilifeform: for one thing, i won't be implementing list reversal in cpp !
polarbeard: this is not a vpatch, don't you see that?
polarbeard: re: my patches, I'm trying to keep an up to date version of them on my github trb repo, wouldn't mind submitting to the ml if somebody asks
mircea_popescu: you can't even see it ?
mircea_popescu: nor do we know the banal names of banal things until after we've made them, because unlike posterity, we don't have the advantage OF FUCKING SANE ANTECESSORS.
mircea_popescu: in truth the situation here is that we don't even know much of the stuff we need until we need it,
asciilifeform: well it technically doesn't have to be scheme. draft ver of 'p' for instance is more forth-like.
mircea_popescu: i for instance judged that since you DON'T say the obvious, you specifically do not mean the obvious.
mircea_popescu: you can't put a kernel in every single thing including the diff utility!
mircea_popescu: i just don't see the gap between "cleanly covers corner cases" and "is turing complete" bridged.
mats: i don't see why there would be a handicap now
punkman: asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud. << my vtron digests conflicting patches
BingoBoingo still remembers the one time he saw a person wearing a bitcoin t-shirt in a bar
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:11:48; ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411785 << i won't use thing that insists n downloads. and i ~definitely~ won't use a thing that wants to rebuild gcc or boost etc each time. ☝︎
asciilifeform: things that won't be pulled in no matter what.
BingoBoingo: Even if you didn't know they were there.
mod6: you don't have to build with the script, just pull all the pieces and build by hand then.
mod6: but this problem isn't realted to that.
ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well ☟︎
ben_vulpes: yeah the v-wrapping build scripts don't isolate themselves from the user keyring.
ben_vulpes: mod6: because gpg says the signature isn't actually verified!
phf: so i tried installing parenscript it pulls in all kinds of retarded. i don't even. anaphora, named-readtables.
phf: $('#patchset-select select').on('select', function() { alert('foo') }) doesn't do what i think it should
ben_vulpes: but when i click the dropdown some js takes over and doesn't let me select anything
phf: ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work. ☟︎
danielpbarron: can't get a new block, just bastards and transactions that appear to be invalid
mod6: i don't think V is driving me insane. at least, I hope not. i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.
mircea_popescu: well i can't fucking find it.
mircea_popescu: damn we're not even a decade in can't find shit in the logs ;/
asciilifeform: i don't recall this
mircea_popescu: everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.
mircea_popescu: hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you. And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's soliders painted quite a lot of grass fields green, and snowmen - white, didn't they.
mircea_popescu: you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.
mircea_popescu: there isn't "better" carbon to make man or beast.
mircea_popescu: i don't actually believe so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't, do you ?
asciilifeform: i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
mircea_popescu: if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't seem to give the least damn about sweat, so long as it is not off his own back. 'who cares how many zeks it takes to build belomor canal' ?
asciilifeform: i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
mircea_popescu: i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
asciilifeform: the pedigree bridge isn't for pressing either.
asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.
phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
mircea_popescu: you don't "release" a patch. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and can't entirely move to separate planets
mircea_popescu: is it signed or isn't it ?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
BingoBoingo can't wait for halving
mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i really don't want any of it to survive.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"
mod6: ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.
mircea_popescu: i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
mod6: ben_vulpes: yah, and when you're testing in production, this can't be a thing.
mircea_popescu: i ain't specifying no list of patches wtf.
mod6: i can't do this.
ben_vulpes: mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think
mod6: mine doesn't do that at all.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into
mod6: ben_vulpes: are you saying that it doesn't work? or that it was just that you didn't have whatever rando guys' key in your keyring?
asciilifeform: phf: you don't need vtron for this, go use bare hands
jurov: asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?
phf: i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability.. http://btcbase.org/upload
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: in my admittedly meagre understanding of v, the working set is determined by the .wot set, no ? and isn't this about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-02-2016#1404304 ? ☝︎
pete_dushenski: on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself
ben_vulpes: phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs
asciilifeform: because, at least partly, the latter represents 'capital allocation', or as mircea_popescu's article put it, 'a thing we can't all be doing'
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
asciilifeform: punkman: nope. isn't chess, computer doesn't help.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't crapple off the clock, normally
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!
pete_dushenski: https://c1.oliveoiltim.es/library/ucd-2010-report.pdf << costco is one of the few mega-corps who doesn't cheat on what they call 'extra virgin' olive oil.
asciilifeform: (don't even bother looking at the thing that got 'released' a few yrs back.)
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it magically doesn't work again ?
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile us army can't actually face turkish army, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: what, turkey didn't get ordered to suicide ? what, you think anyone pays for it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because a) hitler doesn't have them and b) hitler is not stalin, to answer every ivanov dick and harry.
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth
shinohai: maybe they couldn't keep all the aws instances up.
mircea_popescu: i have like eight dozen cousins, and this is counting just the ones i shouldn't be fucking.
shinohai: T_T
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> is it a gamble? what was risked? << bb is just butthurt he didn't buy
danielpbarron: i mean i wasn't gonna buy elsewhere, and it wasn't the last of my cash
mircea_popescu: EVERY SINGLE, i don't mean just the fat/ugly, EVERY SINGLE female's FAVOURITE past time is watching netflix.
asciilifeform: wake me up when you find the shangri-la where the inhabitants aren't moo.
danielpbarron: well i don't care for getting wasted regardless of the enviornment, so i guess i can't speak to that
danielpbarron: bar isn't for getting plastered; it's for talking to people wtf
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still, the first two reasons hold. One can have bipedal african rhinoceros in zoo, but that doesn't mean there is no reason to be interested in observing the creatures in the wild
mircea_popescu: dude - kursk cattle doesn't even have a fucking name. ivan son of filip of the ivan's clan ? really ?
asciilifeform: he isn't even wrong, the bacteria ~are~ helping to 'keep the secrets' by eating the meat