asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826595 << afaik irradiations, ultrapasteurizations, all related atrocities, exist only in 'must feed massive concentration of office plankton' leprosoriae. so no, i dun expect that it happens in cr.☝︎
asciilifeform: ( which is ~that~ plus some phosphoric acid to spur on thirst, so konsoomer drinks yet moar of the sludge )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho you didnt miss much
asciilifeform: phf: re 'it's watery' , iirc we had a related thread about how prohibition turned usa into a country of rotgut drinkers, for whom the ~only important bit is 'strong', with sugars etc added as required
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: right, but i observed same shitcoffee even in 'independent' shops where e.g. bean fryer machine is clearly visible
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that even if you venture outside of shitbucks et al, you get ~same pseudoedible crud. because 'customer expects', i gather. so they -- make.
asciilifeform: tastes pretty much same, possibly even gunkier, than the standard one
asciilifeform: ... so wat if it's full of pyrolysis products, can't not pack the cattle into feedlots, etc For Reasons
asciilifeform: or how meat gets , as matter of routine, an elephant dose from electron gun ( or, sometimes, co-60 ) , 'or unsafe to sell'☟︎
asciilifeform: see also, the use of refrigeration ( plus ultra-pasteurization, see the milk thread ) as substitute for hygiene. tell an american that his ancestors did not need to refrigerate eggs, he'll laugh in your face, 'impossible'
asciilifeform: phf: aha, corn syrup added to ~errything 'edible', for this reason
asciilifeform: bitter, burnt liquishit, really 'starbucks' ought to be re-equipped for sending it to correct orifice.
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised it hasn't become standard in usa. devil knows, ameri-coffee is clearly not fit for mouth.
asciilifeform: ( re infineon -- anybody who was dumb enuff to actually generate a key with it, got fucked to death last summer, even if he dun realize it yet. this, too, Unhappened. )
asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres )☟︎
asciilifeform: idea being, give fsf, eff, etc derps something to drool over, while the troo action is quite elsewhere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe, said concert was masterfully played, they introduced ~harmless/desolderable 'pretty plz store keys in this?' infineon thing in x86 mobos, while quietly building in wholly independent intel/nic rootkit etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or , rather, as part of the microshit-orchestrated tpm concert that was set to begin playing in '07 or so
asciilifeform: they unhappened it when tpmism became a fact in x86dom
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, they'll buy just about anyffing, e.g. black pharaoinic egypt etc
asciilifeform: cargo cult output makes 0 sense other than in light of the picture of the orig subject of imitation, airplane, brit empire, etc
asciilifeform: upstack, italy et al were , as i understand, fucking around with cargo cult version of 'we too want british empire', sorta how 500yr earlier HRE derped with 'we want roman empire'
asciilifeform: 'help, we accidentally rm -rf / our civilization'
asciilifeform: could picture this as restoring from old, worm-eaten backup tape.
asciilifeform: 'try having different dream, which actually makes sense' apparently dun satisft.
asciilifeform: btw who recalls ~poland~ derping around in '30s , 'we want colonies too!' , demonstrations in streets with d00dz in (yes) cork helmets, etc
asciilifeform: for all the 'wave of conquest' of germany, the germans themselves made very questionable mongols. observe that they ended up outsourcing good chunk of the wetwork to local orcs ( city-boi ss grunts went 'shell shocked' from executions ), derped around with gasenwagens 'to make cleaner' etc
asciilifeform: the derpage re 'reason'(tm)(r) afaik hit the pause button in those days
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: duce , as i understand, was aiming for startopoligical throne, rather than primus inter pares among sicilian mob or the like
asciilifeform: e.g. latvia, today possibly the moar pathetic of the nato clitlicker poodles, less than century earlier spread wide for lenin, to the point that he hired the entirety of his leibstandarte there
asciilifeform: 'pleez, pleez make it thicker, and with moar spikes'
asciilifeform: in this model the 'surprise' of france, baltics, whoever, spreading wide for their traditional prussian rapist, suddenly evaporates. what surprise.
asciilifeform: 'The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do' etc
asciilifeform: blair, just possibly, actually grasped it, 'All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.'
asciilifeform: i suppose it's a defensible pov, that the various 'social democrats' etc derps who agreed to 'coalition with provisional gov' , played role similar to the human bridges over barbed wire in ww2
asciilifeform: the dumber bulls, in this model, actually agree to sit down, and try to moo out prayer, this encourages the idjit farmers.
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to corral folx who have deeply nfi what they're doing or why. just as farmer has no problem with corralling bull, despite the latter weighing 10x of him
asciilifeform: ( the only other faction that shared this pheature, were mahno's anarchists, and they came pretty close to a win )
asciilifeform: btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all.☟︎
asciilifeform: the old lizard dream, an equiv of broiler chicken business 'debeaking', was born.
asciilifeform: a bedlam full of 'droolers' was not only aesthetically preferred by the bedlam-keepers of the time to one full of 'screamers', but also cheaper.
asciilifeform: from that point the pharma thrust became 'how do we do this and still have usable factory etc slaves, rather than simply vegetables'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall reserpine, ~the~ 'advance' in early 20th c 'angry bull management', was touted 'clearing the bedlams' etc
asciilifeform: ( the blizzard-offending thing, iirc , lived in soresforge, the shithub of its day )
asciilifeform: as with all good explanatory hypotheses, this one resolved several puzzlers in asciilifeform's head in one shot (e.g. 'why did the open-whatever folx accept being corralled into soresforge to begin with' )
asciilifeform: e.g. 'we [nominally] dislike microshit but we'll obey microshit-operated 'court' system for Reasons' etc
asciilifeform: 'accepting the form of argument but rejecting the conclusion' or how did mircea_popescu describe'em.
asciilifeform: that was actually asciilifeform's 'omfg apparently i'm a moron' moment re open sores 'culture'
asciilifeform: iirc i asked ( on, laugh, slashdot ) re why there is not a 'warez p2p'-style replacement for soresforge , for pissing on bans etc. ( no prizes for guessing how many answers )
asciilifeform: i still recall the 1st time i heard of an open sores thing being added to index librorum prohibitorum or whatever the derps call it nowadays. iirc was in early 2000s, some 'unauthorized' mud client, banned at the behest of blizzard co
