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mircea_popescu: anyway, trident was actually a pretty great maker, in q/$ terms at least.
asciilifeform: i dun think i ever had a box with vga but not at least an adlib in it
mircea_popescu: which is a fitting fate!
asciilifeform: i never did have a roland tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was the rondeau by mouret. but it never heard a proper variant played on like yopu klnow, actual fucking musical instruments, that i even half as much liked.
mircea_popescu: in THAT specific variant, imo it gains a lot from the speaker.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKsLWiPtSWY << teh english tune was for a while my favourite piece of music.
mircea_popescu: now if only i had a blog from 1993 i could dig in and find what the fix was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that actually was a known problem at the time! i REMEBER THIS
asciilifeform: linked item is notable however because not a covox : it emulates the isa sb, which had a microcontroller, but ~without~ one, with raw ttl fsm
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 19:25 phf: if you're in the first category, you're going to be paid peanuts to do bitch work, if you're in the later category then by 19 (or whatever) "how to pentest career!1" is going to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going to ask a channel full of autodidacts
mircea_popescu: yes. and also it's not a proper "going to" anyway.
asciilifeform: in usa that's a 'department' but i hate the wurd
shinohai: "Benebit, one of this year’s most hyped ICOs, has pulled an exit scam .... The fraud only came to light after someone noticed that the team photos had been stolen from a school website."
mircea_popescu: we gotta have a conversation about gender balance and bias in this republic.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:59 spyked: re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer these days is often hard to tell (this has good qualities to it, too)" <-- this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if the "program" consisted merely of LOAD ""
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774869 << no, it's because the boys wanted to grab ass so they introduced the punched card to have a reason to hire a buncha secretaries. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:53 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774737 << btw, ty ben_vulpes for writing this article. After I get archive .zip delivery up and running I will be taking time to get my castle in order. This will include: 1) learning 'v' 2) get a working trb 3) testing my damn fgs already 4) ffa chapter 1 (at least)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian has it. it's mostly used to denote taking the bus w/o a ticket / going to exam with a cheating mind.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "programming", in the sense (and i quote exactly), "I'm working in corporation in finance and procurement department, so I can sum up my life with : excel, excel, excel, SAP, a little bit more excel" is not actuially a job 90% opf the walkers can do.
mircea_popescu: which is the traditional point of the expression "union town" : a job you ~could~ do, but won't be allowed to.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that takes skill. waitressing takes a pulse and not oversleeping too often because you whored out / smoked yourself blank the previous night.
asciilifeform: errything's a uniontown. incl. the sort of programming anybody might actually want to be involved with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what honest fucking trades. like what, you open a lemonade stand, and through thrift and industry you end up owning all of the east end lemonade trade ?
phf: like a shoe cobbler or a lathe machinist?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:35 asciilifeform is astonished to regularly , as today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where they labour under the delusion that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living'
mircea_popescu: which is even a welcome fucking idea, no more of this "DANGEROUS CURVE AHEAD". bitch, i don't know your idea of "dangerous", say "curve type W64" and be fucking done with it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:29 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774857 << speaking of this, it occured to me earlier in teh car that if the current "intelligent car ; self drives" trend continue (as it doubtless will), the net result will in short order be a standardization of curves. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774856 << loller. this, btw, VERY much a thing. i dunno how they survive, but if i wanted to make a life as a thief here, easily could. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: sounds like mircea_popescu had a good afternoon
asciilifeform: speaking of optics , asciilifeform found today that chinese sell a qrcode-reader thing, the size of a matchbox, with rs232 output (i.e. self-contained, needs no softwarism) , eats 5v , ~20bux
mircea_popescu: DRESSED IN A SUIT.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 16:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774669 << if you're in usa or europistan, that's a 'staying above water' wage, nobody's retiring on that, 'early' or late or otherwise
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 16:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought he was a student
ben_vulpes: don't-call-it-a-credit-card-gateway
shinohai: (This was on a Gentoo, will try later on African linux)
shinohai: What a great log, too much to link to but I learned things same way - took apart my trash80, then the 8088's. My room was littered with such stuff.
lobbes: Was only there where I actually took apart old 90's machines, saw and held motherboards, connected power supplied, and interfaced with DOS. if only for a short time.
phf: trinque: the function used to be performed by a teacher with a ruler ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.
trinque: gonna need a device someday to sit 'em down in, makes them track a red dot on the wall. if they lose it, electric shocks to the bum and the dot moves faster.
trinque: ftr "empathy" is not caring about anyone; it's being able to model them. not having it just means you were given ADD by the blinkenlights as a child.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i discovered a computer in a 2.5y preschool classroom this am
phf: specifically a winnuke on 127.0.0.1.
lobbes: Very much a cargo cultism, I would say. Cannot conceive of the workings of physics that even allow planes that drop payloads. Never been shown, or explained, by -anyone-. "Assembly code for favorite vidya game? But all my phriends just use "Game Shark" for their cheating levels"
lobbes: It appears such to someone with actual skills such as phf. But for one for whom it is a "well, what else is there?", it seems like the rational move ☟︎
phf: well, what is that they say, americans learn to market themselves as the main skill? "how do i optimize the roi of my career track please". whatever happened to "i'm trying to make a sploit from this bugtraq, but my return rail is too short, and i can't get a jump going to proper place"???
phf: oh man "how do i learn assembly", you learn assembly by reading through the assembly output of a pirated ida pro that you have attached to your favorite video game, because you trying to figure out where the inventory count is, duh
phf: if you're in the first category, you're going to be paid peanuts to do bitch work, if you're in the later category then by 19 (or whatever) "how to pentest career!1" is going to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going to ask a channel full of autodidacts ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << you've been tricked, there's two kinds of pentesters: "modern" ones, which are basically a security equivalent of a coder, they are taught how to use nessus and metasploit effectively so that their parent company can charge $x for a regulatory assurance "penntesting performed, following findings communicated and addressed" ☝︎
mod6: looking for a few others to repeat the same kinda testing that I did. when we get a few more "thumbsup", then will deed & post to foundation site.
mod6: phf: aha. good deal. agreed that most machines i've ever seen have a /bin/sh, not all have a /bin/bash.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-19 19:29 spyked: asciilifeform, found something (in romanian) http://www.atic.org.ro/ktml2/files/uploads/Masina%20DIALISP.pdf there's also a more detailed english version on ACM sci-hub http://dl.acm.org.sci-hub.cc/citation.cfm?id=802028#
asciilifeform: posix is a dead dream, deader than lispm.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 04:39 mod6: A last question that I had: The original uses /bin/bash, the new changes include changing the shell to /bin/sh, is this intended, if so, why?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774622 << this was left non-deliberately, but it's a safe change. safer than having /bin/bash there. /bin/sh is posix, so any unix is going to have ~something~ there. on this freebsd machine /bin/sh is a pure posix shell, while bash lives in /usr/local/bin/bash ☝︎
asciilifeform: in 1990s it was a cottage industry of sorts. ( asciilifeform was not there for this, only saw thirdhand rumours )
spyked: yes, very! funny enough, one of the people who worked on that (while a student himself) became my PhD advisor. he recently showed me a contraption that ran Basic, CP/M *and* had extensions for apple ii compatibility. (with an extra memory module? was it? I dun remember; anyway, it was soldered to the motherboard using a pair of wires, because no place to stick it in. communism was harsh, but people made the best of it)
spyked: asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2015/02/hc-85.jpg (though mine was a HC 90 I think). Romanian ZX Spectrum clone, similar to many others discussed here ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:08 asciilifeform: the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely technically ( that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically.
spyked: re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer these days is often hard to tell (this has good qualities to it, too)" <-- this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if the "program" consisted merely of LOAD "" ☝︎☟︎
lobbes: This all hinges on v, and for a n00b like me that article is worth its weight in gold.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 07:12 mircea_popescu: tsk. the republic uses v, http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774737 << btw, ty ben_vulpes for writing this article. After I get archive .zip delivery up and running I will be taking time to get my castle in order. This will include: 1) learning 'v' 2) get a working trb 3) testing my damn fgs already 4) ffa chapter 1 (at least) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform is astonished to regularly , as today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where they labour under the delusion that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living' ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-01-21 19:00 asciilifeform: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-21#452476 , whole thing worth a read ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: spyked: the 'because people needed' is also , for this purpose, 'a purpose'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 douchebag: Oh yes I understand that, I'm not really looking to sell 0day exploits, I mean starting a security company to provide penetration testing services to companies. A lot of places are required to hire a pentester or team of pentesters
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Was obvious to spot who the counterparty was when they entered the public meeting space. Meanwhile I had been comfortable seated for a bit with coffees on the table.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Used a web escrow thing to keep the kitten comfortable, they deliver benjies, I hit the release escrow button.
asciilifeform: i.e. you showed up with a privkey, and other party -- with benjies ? or wat
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: describe, for my education, what a trade like this looks like
asciilifeform: spyked: oh hey just earlier today there was a fella who asked for a freshman intro to exploitations .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:23 mircea_popescu: there is ~some~ actual substance to it, however it's almost entirely a subclass of being a systems programmer.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:04 diana_coman: might mention that I was a post-doc at some point in life
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 16:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought he was a student
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 11:47 diana_coman: question for anyone who studied keccak: do you see any reason for keccak itself to care about msb/lsb? the way I see it, keccak works at bit level, so it eats a stream of bits in the order they come in and it outputs another stream of bits in the order they come out, no need for lsb/msb dance per se
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774749 << as a rule, if you NEVER byte-address, you can ignore endianism ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:36 douchebag: After college and I get a few more certificates I'll be working a job paying roughly ~80-$100k/yr starting off
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774669 << if you're in usa or europistan, that's a 'staying above water' wage, nobody's retiring on that, 'early' or late or otherwise ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 douchebag: Oh yes I understand that, I'm not really looking to sell 0day exploits, I mean starting a security company to provide penetration testing services to companies. A lot of places are required to hire a pentester or team of pentesters
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 << if being a 'they are REQUIRED to hire an X' X doesn't turn yer stomach, there are more lucrative usg.bureaucracies than the seekoority racket ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:25 douchebag: Eventually, I would like to start a company of some sort providing security solutions to companies as well as hire pentesters to work for me.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-19 01:51 asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << this is a terrible idea. it is a tournament market. and by all indications (i.e. yer asking the q) , you're trying to join it as an adult. which promises to be a double-width shitsandwich. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774634 << it's a 'learn by doing' item ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought he was a student ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: douchebag re last night's convo : spyked is actually a (retiring, i think ?) security professor / researcher, you might want to also check out his blog.
shinohai: Oh it's running the same Arch linux from old days, contains a copy of trb blockchain and naught else.
BingoBoingo: Also have a trade date this afternoon
mircea_popescu: in other news, it's so great that you can take a 2 year old article and it's actually fucking useful. but -- a point i think wasn't mentioned and it's a pity : i ~really~ like ben_vulpes code indentation style. those bars.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> contract number, something. does your contract have a number ? << Asking. I have my registration number, but I am asking them for clarity.