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asciilifeform: i confess to having wondered if anyone in .ar writes software
mircea_popescu: except no big tits, no nude at home, and no eating dogfood. just, derpage and pretense.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 11:28:01; mircea_popescu: which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these were fucking http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280920 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they sit around and talk a splendid talk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is actually very common in usa software shops. indians produce mountain of horror, and then a handful of other people - clean it
mircea_popescu: what's it do for them ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps they fucked madonna as well.
mod6: right, i want the sync mech to work inside of the bounds of V.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps they had a stable of indians also
mircea_popescu: could have had a stable of indians doing the same job for 1.5% of the cost and 0.0x% of the liabilities.
Pierre_Rochard: ^^^ that
mircea_popescu: it's dumbass "employees" doing nothing that are EXPENSIVE
asciilifeform: this way, no one who wants to get a release ever needs to do anything but ordinary operation of 'v'.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you don't understand. it's not the place that's cheap
mircea_popescu: no, just make a special patch (for historical reasons called a manifest) that does exactly what you describe
asciilifeform: but this way, a release is simply a vpatch that adds a 'this is part of such-and-such release' comment to a set of files in such a way that the desired leaves are brought into the release.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, thanks for your input/thoughts there.
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Interesting. I would have thought nice place downtown in the cool area would have cost more.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought he just meant signing patches.
asciilifeform: there is precisely 1 kind of thing.
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: rent wasn’t actually that much, ~3 people’s salaries. Employed ~70 people
asciilifeform: it is the thing children like about 'lego'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 after this, anyone who wants to build THAT release merely needs to 'grab' ~that~ patch and 'v' does the rest.
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:27:12; mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285169 << the way i suggested doing it is to avoid having multiple classes of signed objects. manifest for a release would be merely another kind of patch - one that simply takes every leaf that is to form part of the release head, and add a comment to the top of the file, 'REL-xxx.' this auto-gloms the leaves into a single patch 'handle', think about it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: he wants to pretend he's sorta kinda like me, were i to exist (which i don't, OOOOBVIOUSLY). so...
mircea_popescu: "some bum said some things nobody card about" ? he doesn't want it to be like that.
mircea_popescu: if gallippi wants to play the adult and "sign declarations", what's that mean ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i sign on gavin's dumbass "proposal", it's directly obvious to anyone what happened.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but why did it even need a physical office ?! the only possible explanation is mircea_popescu's...
asciilifeform: but other than this, unmodified
asciilifeform: rsync would need a pre-write hook so that it only accepts 'push' attempts that end up sig-verifying
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ? << Their office is literally around the block from a hooters knockoff that does pizza instead of wings. They spent on location
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:25:01; mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285161 << i once suggested, iirc, 'rsync'. the beauty of 'v' is that it does not really matter ~how~ you marshall the bits around, given that every operation verifies every single bit of your tree. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: just like the spam "mmwys" kids spend it all on trying to give other jerky teenagers the illusion that "mmwys".)
mircea_popescu: (hint : they spent it ALL on trying to give people just like you the illusion that mansions, and lizard hitler.
asciilifeform: why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ?
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp ~what~ they spent it on
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 03:09:44; mircea_popescu: BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#973977 << check it out, we can truly be a cult now. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (the pill is to spawn p+1 threads, where p is cpu count, and parcel out verification jobs to the workers)
asciilifeform: there is absolutely no reason for it save the fact that i have not had personally the time to shoot it in the head
asciilifeform: the illusion of cpu-boundedness really comes from the idiot serial-verify of block tx-en
mircea_popescu: well the chinese surely do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we spend so much time waiting on i/o that cpu is largely idle.
asciilifeform: 'thou shalt not add, neither shall thou take away' - that kind of thing.
asciilifeform: (or the backbone, if you like, molests. i don't care who. there is exactly one pill against this.)
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:17:01; mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285144 << the thing spoken of, i think, was the annoying tendency of every isp we sit down on to molest the packetz ☝︎
assbot: Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTnNtX )
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/ <<< ahjahaha check it out, buttcoin crew is confronted with a dilemma between their own stated goals and their own mental capacities.
asciilifeform: the specificity-of-diddle 'theorem' more or less demands this approach.
asciilifeform: (the set of mathematical operations used in crypto is quite limited, well-defined, and does not require a turing-complete interpreter to fully encompass.)
asciilifeform: probably i am doomed to do this.
mircea_popescu: i saw it in the logs. i dun know what to say of this as of yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am very much leaning towards scriptable crypto.
assbot: Logged on 28-09-2013 09:10:42; mircea_popescu: my current curiosity in the field is why isn't cramer–shoup more widely usedf.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2013#333713 << first mentioned here almost two years ago to the day ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in any case : one of the things i'd like to see is non-familiar stuff.
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:13:17; mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: “You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++’s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285135 << it is also, to borrow a naggumism, theoretically ~possible~ for a mountain of garbage to lack a single fly. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and no less so than if it had been designed to be.
mircea_popescu: yeah but they were "oh, you know what, sigs for THIS really need to be dependably known"
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285102 << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 ! ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: but this is a separate thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the blockchain is tough on the disk i/o, yes. as illustrated by the abysmal failure of pogo-with-mechanical-hdd
asciilifeform: (for n00bz - consider a lock as analogous to an airplane toilet door)
mircea_popescu: it does fucking lock the io somehow.
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:22:51; mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285158 << this picture is not correct. 'locking' here refers to literal lock, the global big fat lock in bitcoind, the one that makes it only pseudo-multithreaded on account of just about every major routine hogging it ☝︎
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mod6: anyway sorry for the verbosity, thanks for listening. just wanted to see if I was on the right track before I get too far along.
mod6: we could have a signed list of mirrors in the same location as the manifest so that there is some redundancy
phf: mircea_popescu: yes, once i do the publishing
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mod6: (incase there are patches added to the site webdirectory that are not included in the release manifest)
mircea_popescu: phf you gonna get in game to get your pile of woooly shrooms ?
mod6: So I added subroutines to pull all patches, wots and seals from the foundation site, and/or audit what's already local by checking the local vpatch hashes against the manifest.
phf: mircea_popescu: i did not publish the instructions, i will update http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X
mircea_popescu: i think this is the correct approach. also i like it.
mod6: so for instance, I've made http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/TEST2.manifest, so far unsigned as its just for testing my code for a minute here..
mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches. ☟︎
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BingoBoingo: http://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/carbondale/grubbs-to-get-pay-raise-stipend-to-move-into-carbondale/article_a8840cd8-a507-5499-9a22-183c688d010c.html << $15,000 rent stipend. When I was there rented for $3,600/year fucking inflation
mod6: this way when one clicks on a node in the directed grap (from before), it takes you to the actual vpatch. anyway...
mod6: so, to start, I dropped the vpatches, wot pub keys, and seals (sigs of vpatches) into a webirectory here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285073 << this is a point that perhaps may pass unnoticed and trip people i think. ☝︎
mod6: oh speaking of eulora, is the new version out?
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:57:49; ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285049 << that's ok, china is not an adult place. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:54:55; phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285041 << we can already do this using iptables like god intended. it didn't practically help in the field if you recall. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you gotta meter what txn they pass you and score them.