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diana_coman: asciilifeform:
there's a difference between ruled out and default as it were
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so basically
the "can't have x" is more indicative of "didn't look for it irl seriously enough"?
☟︎ lobbes: I guess I don't see
the problem atm with having
the
two branches,
though I welcome being convinced/pointed-to-log-threads (I've been re-reading
the
threads referenced in spyked's blog, but still have
to finish, so possibly not grokking some fundamental bits discussed somewhere)
☟︎ lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910057 << while not necessarily mutually exclusive, I understood
the
two branches as "those who want
to import postgres as a dependence (logbot/logbot-command-router) and
those who don't (ircbot/trilemabot)".
☝︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: Other
than making a loud statement, what likely drove Petrobras
this far was derp from PIT-CNT (totally indegenous AFL-CIO like
thing) objecting
to court and police actions with
their cheif derp declaring labor action is above
the law in
the very
traditional Latino sense
BingoBoingo: Local government very surprised.
The courts
told
the derps no,
the police chased
the derps out (but failed
to beat
them)...
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:33 mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 <<
there is, for
the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one
thing, pretty muich all
the cpus
that can be used for any serious purpose are
that old or older ; for
the other
thing i actually use kernels
that are
that old or older.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:23 mp_en_viaje: and
to
think
THIS, specifically
THIS promise of
the internet,
the computer,
the future, got implemented for
the mass market as apple library and google books and what
the fuck not. seriously guyse, point and click interfaces and pageflip animations and "return
the virtual book
to library" ?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:16 mp_en_viaje: and yes, i fucking do it, on occasion. i even do it on occasion for
things i know perfectly well, just because it seems
to me some particular form or other is deserving of my labour.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:41 mp_en_viaje: just look at
the f11 (ie, full screen) semantics for a pile of lulz. both
the os AND
the browser interpret it ; and if you;re luck on some laptops
the bios
too. cuz why
the fuck ?
spyked off for another photo session in
the surrounding villages
mp_en_viaje: the link's
there, it gets made clickable anyway, it's good enough as it is.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 06:38 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910038 <-- I suppose
that might work. otoh,
the only (small) complexity
that arises is
that, while in
the former case
the link is clearly
the first element (in both order and priority), in
the latter case it's
the other way around.
this means
that
the announcer needs
to make sure
that
the ~site and ~title don't result in
the ~link being cut off (as part of
the anchor) and
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 06:29 spyked: greetings from
the Black Sea's western shore, y'arr!
mp_en_viaje: that way you get both "from each according
to ability" -> 0 as well as "to each according
t oneed" -> inf.
mp_en_viaje: this is how ustardia works, "the squeaky wheel gets
the grease". best play in socialism is
to be poor, stupid, sickly and helpless.
mp_en_viaje: o heh, check it out,
that's exactly what it is.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 22:52 asciilifeform: must be well-moneyed chix, if
they have personal nurse, eh
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 22:43 Mocky: no but working on my own
team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out
to helping other
teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:46 asciilifeform: or,
take
the retardation common
to all current pc os --
the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not
to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as
disk cache , system as visible
to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed )
mp_en_viaje: "when a man designs he is holding
the water of
the world in his closed palms ; should he open his fingers
then, he needn't hope
to ever encounter sanity again."
mp_en_viaje: so yes, he's right : description of
the "what's wrong with it" could go on for a long
time ; but
the cause is
that everything's wrong with it, each juncture, because being wrong on
the left and
then on
the right in quick succession's just a summed up list of being wrong
this way and
that yet wrong nevertheless.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 00:51 hanbot: so
there i am merrily entering choices into
the kernel config's endless querying on
the
tail of my cuntoo installation attempt, and i'm noting down all
the modules it asks about
that don't appear in
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900940 for posterity, during which i ctrl + c on
the wrong of
the
two keyboards i'm handling while
trying
to copy a module name and bam, make dies, which means kernel configuring dies, which means bootstrap.sh dies,
mp_en_viaje: just look at
the f11 (ie, full screen) semantics for a pile of lulz. both
the os AND
the browser interpret it ; and if you;re luck on some laptops
the bios
too. cuz why
the fuck ?
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: then all
the fungus grew
to
try
to somehow shape
this miscut rock into usable brick form. so process sorta-owns keyboard but not really except reallier
than
that but not really except...
mp_en_viaje: tate or even describe
the circumstance... so we hold inquest jury.... bla bla bla bla".
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:40 asciilifeform: even positing pc iron and mircea_popescu's 'why not at least rewrite os in ada' , it isn't clear
to me why you'd want
to keep e.g. unix's retarded process model ( where process cannot , say, propagate an ada exception for sane eggog handling, but is stuck dying and returning numeric barf code ) if you do such
thing.
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910015 << in
the same vein : INSTEAD of having sane propagation back and forth, which in
turn would permit you
to let
THE OS own
the input/output devices, and which would FORCE conformity on
the part of programs, you end up with
the "oh, program once started owns keyboard ... well, sorta.... and also if anythinf happens has
to die... and of couse
there's nobody
there at its grave
to save s
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:29 asciilifeform: ( we know
that a 15 y.o. kernel did build on
tcc sans eggog, but afaik
that's all
that is currently known )
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 <<
there is, for
the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one
thing, pretty muich all
the cpus
that can be used for any serious purpose are
that old or older ; for
the other
thing i actually use kernels
that are
that old or older.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ mp_en_viaje: if experience's any guide, 99% of linux userland is not useful for any purpose ; of which remaining 1% 99% has
to be rewritten anyway as
the extant item is so fucking
terribly designed and worse implemented as
to cost literally as much as it produces ; of
the reminder 1% i can at
the present
time
think of very few examples.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:29 asciilifeform: bvt: as for
tcc , i suspect ( but do not know for fact )
that good % of commonplace linux userland is married
to gcc nonstandard knobs
mp_en_viaje: granted, my old style library i grew up with was
two
to
three degrees of magnitude larger
than 9mb ; but it sure as fuck
took a bunch of people way
the fuck more
than 15 hours
to stitch it all
together. and
there's 60 seconds in a minute, not 10, and
there's 60 minutes in an hour, not
ten. and so
the fuck on.
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing in nature as fucking dumb as people can get once
they start
trying
to not leave any children behind.
mp_en_viaje: and
to
think
THIS, specifically
THIS promise of
the internet,
the computer,
the future, got implemented for
the mass market as apple library and google books and what
the fuck not. seriously guyse, point and click interfaces and pageflip animations and "return
the virtual book
to library" ?
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: takes 13 seconds and a working box
to acquire a library
these days ; whole
thing can be done while coffee brews.
mp_en_viaje: but i can readily see what was confusing : sometimes
the leaps get
to be
too great
to follow.
this future where c/c++/c#/javascript/whatever such are relegated
to
their rightful place is so fucking distant, even merely
talking of it likely smacks of lunacy
to most anyone.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 20:53 bvt: also, i was under impression
that asciilifeform suggests
to ditch C after getting sane iron
mp_en_viaje: and yes, i fucking do it, on occasion. i even do it on occasion for
things i know perfectly well, just because it seems
to me some particular form or other is deserving of my labour.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: incidentally,
this is both
the
traditional as well as a quite effectual way of learning
things.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 15:09 asciilifeform: e.g. an auto-installable cuntoo
that runs on commonplace irons and includes working gnat, vtron, etc. would save massive amount of work, vs. current situation where 'oh you bought a new box? here's a buncha
toothpicks and glue'
spyked: diana_coman,
tbh I'm not sure, so I'm posing it as a question.
there's also prolly some merit
to
the idea of each bot having, optionally, a logotron attached
to it (since it's already listening...)
diana_coman: my understanding was
that
the logbot was
the part one might want
to run on its own
spyked: this would require another regrind, but I'm supposing
the
time will come when someone will need both
trilemabot and logbot in
the same place. I can
take it upon myself
to do
this if
there's no objections
spyked is off
to enjoy
the smell of
the sea
spyked: snip
the
title if needed
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 23:01 Mocky: spyked: how would you feel about changing your feedbot announce format from "~link << ~site -- ~title"
to "~site --
~title" ?
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910038 <-- I suppose
that might work. otoh,
the only (small) complexity
that arises is
that, while in
the former case
the link is clearly
the first element (in both order and priority), in
the latter case it's
the other way around.
this means
that
the announcer needs
to make sure
that
the ~site and ~title don't result in
the ~link being cut off (as part of
the anchor) and
☝︎☟︎ spyked: greetings from
the Black Sea's western shore, y'arr!
☟︎ BingoBoingo: The latest development on
the Natural Gas plant is...
The derps left after
the Police showed up.
Mocky: spyked: how would you feel about changing your feedbot announce format from "~link << ~site -- ~title"
to "~site --
~title" ?
☟︎ Mocky: nope, poor chix who have
trouble getting into
the dr regularly. Its cheaper for insurance company
to run
this in-home program
than
to pay for
the complications
that would otherwise occur
Mocky: my
team is writing an application for nurses who are giving care
to pregnant chix in
their homes, so
they can access
the functionality of
their online medical system, while offline
Mocky: no but working on my own
team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out
to helping other
teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends
☟︎ Mocky: and
the interacting with more people more often
Mocky: im enjoying
the work and
the learning new
things