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asciilifeform: asciilifeform reached out to several intelligent heathen folk of old acquaintance ; and got same response from each , i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808491 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the problem as far as i discern it is, "not only there's no conversation going, but the mutism threatens to entrench itself as a 'way to be', and it's not sustainable". when's the last time pizarro talked to anyone ? gotta talk to people, somehow, somewhere. silence is a first approximation of death.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta do a ro expedition.
mircea_popescu: i said it once, you know. aanyway : the original idea (get >=300 rockchips there, in a dozen+ Us) was trashed by practical considerations (as alf pointed out, he can't carry 12 us in one go) ; but it'd have required refinancing because you simply did not have enough money to pay for it.
mod6: I suspected this as well.
mod6: Alright, so what do you suggest here? I thought that you were saying, multiple times that we should refinance. This is what I've been thinking about most lately.
mircea_popescu: but you will have hell on wheel in your hands trying to get more money as a palliative solution to "i don't feel like building sales today". ☟︎
mod6: Yeah, I think 4 is plenty.
asciilifeform: mod6: there is more than 1 difficulty with this scheme, but the most obvious one i know of, is that i dun think i actually know 5 people who ~have~ 10btc (much less wanting to play)
mod6: I believe this is probably a good way to get Pizarro into better financial shape, but it's hard for me to imagine how this works.
mod6: So, let's say that we thought that we would need to raise 50 BTC (just throwing it out there) - I'd like to talk about how that might work.
mod6: I'm not impartial to database. I just want something that we can all see, and all the info about the business is contained within.
mod6: I dont even think that he really wants to use it specifically either, as, again, mod6 is not accountant.
mod6: asciilifeform: it wasn't months. I spent probably 1 weekend hacking on a psql ddl back in march, and ben_vulpes is finally getting around to looking at it now.
mircea_popescu: hey, you get a free db with the file system, i never was arsed to do any better on my reports. not that i'm proposing my laziness as the model for anyone else nor that i think the bikeshedding discussion needs to continue, now extented into a theoretical comparison of the merits and dismerits of postgress and implicit-fs-db.
mod6: I didn't say this was top priority either.
asciilifeform: i made the above ^ in <1hr
mod6: I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise.
mod6: And I can agree, that it doesn't have to happen right now.
mod6: All I'm saying is, a business should have a formal way to track things, this is all.
mod6: I don't care if it's a flat file either.
mod6: I want all of the things in a place we can all refer to and say "oh there it is! now I can see how many x are in there" or whatever.
mod6: We are discussing/thinking about how to recapitalize, get more rockchips, customers. So this is on going. I don't think anyone is wasting anytime by any streach of imagination.[ ☟︎
mod6: I'm no accountant, or anything, however, I find it insane to try to keep track of things in a lisp script. Do we really want to debug our accounting things every week/month?
mod6: I don't think it is a 'blocker', but Mr. Vulpes will have to respond to that.
mod6: I've said this as recently as last week.
mod6: And I guess, it is not up to me how Mr. Vulpes wants to track these things for Pizarro, however, if I'm asked to make decisions, I EXPECT that these things are clear, in plain language.
mod6: Now do I think he's wasting time? No. I'm sure he hasn't spent much time on it at all since I even created it, but he would have to say for himself.
mod6: So. I created this database back in March to help track inventory, payments, customer accounts, etc. This all to help ben_vulpes save time when doing reporting. Which, as I understand is taking him a lot of time each month.
mircea_popescu: you find yourself in the unique position of a start-up running out of runway that doesn't have AS MUCH AS A LANDING PAGE. suppose i wanted to send people over ; where the everloving fuck do i even send them ?
ave1: hmm, I've got to go now, but will check in later
asciilifeform: ( and yes i set the -jxxxx in the configs )
asciilifeform: i must confess that i agree with mircea_popescu : the postgres db thing is neither here nor there, and in fact harmful, i would like to be able to run ben_vulpes's calculations as before , using his lisp proggies, without having to fuck with a db snapshot, wtf srsly
ben_vulpes: i don't think it useless nothing as it will snip significant time off report generation. the pressure from the board is to forge forward with the rockchips, but if there's change to be eked from the shared hosting i should capture that as well, so thanks for the prodding.
ben_vulpes: logbot, i mean.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to do it in postgres; should be a lot easier to get php to do both the mysql for the pizarro mpwp and the postgres for deedbot than to port deedbot to mysql
mircea_popescu: not even a bad argument ; kinda example of why i occasionally say scholastics' not what moderntards make it seem.
mircea_popescu: very refreshingly medieval perspective. what's all this "i'm a producer" bs.
asciilifeform: tho i read it as in application to 'they turn men into birds, and birds into men' etc
asciilifeform: exactly the 'more odd claims' i meant
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i wanted to quote : "Qui credit, posse fieri aliquam creaturam, aut in melius deteriúsve transmutari, aut in aliam speciem vel similitudinem transformari, quàm abipso omnium Creatore, pagano et infideli deterior est."
asciilifeform: and i half-expected to find mircea_popescu quoting from sprenger's latin original
asciilifeform: the armed evicters who show up when the rent check bounces, do exist, i've seen'em at work
asciilifeform: i think i get it, mircea_popescu is a zhukov-style 'mine field, what mine field, cowards, you have feet, nao move'em why dontcha' sort of commander.
asciilifeform: wish i knew
asciilifeform: fwiw i still have nfi precisely what killed yezhov.
asciilifeform: i suppose if you're mircea_popescu , you can describe the problem of folx for whom bank acct being zeroed, blacklisting from employment, declared outlaw, as 'imaginary'.
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, this is a 'here's a tank grenade, take some with you' argument. and perfectly valid.
mircea_popescu: and so on. how long do i need to extend this before it catches ? ~~~NOTHING~~~ the monkeys say is interpreted. at all, in any way, to any degree, never.
asciilifeform: ( every so often, you see zeks who 'i'ma build anyway'; recall recent case, john carmack, and his ocular thing. built company , popular gadget, then the patent trolls show up; now they own it. )
mircea_popescu: other than what we've been fucking doing ? sure, why the hell not. the people involved build the thing ; when mit said some things, they ignored them altogether. give me some examples of thins mit said and i could just ignore for your edification ?
asciilifeform: i suppose they could have ran off to su and tried to persuade brezhnev to build a lispm ?
asciilifeform: the other nitpick is with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640940 , but iirc i registered objection at the time ( 'gnu' was nowhere even in sight when the events in question took place, the mushroom's 'i will reimplement IT ALL!' was a flowered-up recollection of his employment at lmi, one of the 3 mit licensee corps ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: and as for the set of 'lord kelvin' ('i was born into money AND i like to experiment') : was ~null set. at least as evidenced by the results.
mircea_popescu: web-borne noobs have a lot of trouble mentally handling sanity, what can i say.
FreeMASON: then i leave
FreeMASON: read what i wrote
mircea_popescu: FreeMASON, i don't get pms, fyi.
BingoBoingo: Aite, found the textpaste dump. Tomorrow when I have the cedula in hand, will scan. Reply to that message with the scans, we can see if it shows up Wednesday.
asciilifeform: i have nfi, incidentally, how long they hold'em
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i pasted whole thing here, it is in the log
asciilifeform: which, like complete idiot, i assumed means that it will go to postbox like normal package in normal country
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wednesday morning I plan on heading to the airport. Was there any other paperwork besides the tracking page that might aid the cause of getting the package released?
asciilifeform: imho this is a useful experiment and i'd like to see an output
mircea_popescu: i'm cutting it between http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640940 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641242 ; if anyone disagrees lemme know. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: anywya, i think ima reprint (and adnotate) the trinque -linked bolix discussion, because i fear it's so concise and the language so tense, nobody, including myself, will understand wtf was being said in a few more years.
asciilifeform: i suspect the thrust is to 'discourage, and push to shitogram' or whatever the latest keybase is called
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813139 << pretty much all they're good for. honestly, if they discourage the few remainign morons from sending "pgp-encrypted" email like retards because "thunderbird" i'll be quite happy. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813131 << in the specific case of czechoslovakia, they got wet because tanks in prague. now and again "science fiction" pops up containing gender-indeterminate species, which choose a gender by context, "with joe in the room i'm samantha the slut, but when moe's around i'm butch". this is EXACTLY how societies work, they are gendered by context, and sending a bunch of tanks can very well fli ☝︎
mircea_popescu: really ? cuz i seem to recall a whole bunch of ukr ustasa groups.
mircea_popescu: i get it, jews are inadherent to history. nevertheless -- indians were part of "alliances" among western powers regularly.
asciilifeform: i dun recall any cases of conqueror pausing mid-exterminatus and successfully offering alliance to 'sioux'
mircea_popescu: i doubt stalin actually wanted the ukraine. much better if hitler shoots them all.
mircea_popescu: note however that "moscow whip" is a very dubious item altogether, at least in the case of actually authoritarian regimes. ceausescu drove gorby mad with his "what apologize, you fucking apologize, fucker, i wasn't there."
mircea_popescu: funny, it seems to me about half of them grasp, on some level. one in six or so even arguably states some variant. but then again i mostly read the french/ro/czech/jugo set rather than the russian/polish/whatever. there is some north/south division among the stalinvictims vaguely similar to the east/west division of zee franks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting to run across the kundera, solzhenitsyn, or the like, whose work shows any symptoms of grasping that 1) 'free world' was a cheap scam 2) switching moscow whip for washington whip won't improve anything 3) the uppity orcs will lose whatever sovereignty, industrial civ level, etc. they have under sov colonization, when (2) happens , and remain sad and dependent
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, i can't see why not. you just shouldn't have expected to get all that much from it, which i don't gather you had expected. so no harm no foul.
danielpbarron: should i not have made the review? not even watched the film?
mircea_popescu: and since i;m doing this, http://trilema.com/2011/voi-ce-ati-facut-in-viata-asta-ba/#selection-45.99-49.7 is a learned reference, to "Am avut un copil si-o nevasta Acum o suta, o mie de ani
mircea_popescu: it always sums, neh ? but i don't think anyone living today can imagine what, specifically, "jalopy" means. considering the ~author~ couldn't : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778955 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: EXCEPT, i survived it in a 90s mercedes, not in a 70s lada (this thing : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808320 ), and moreover first responders were there in five minutes not in two hours and a half. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's fucking true! the dirt roads of behind the iron curtain barely permitted 35. and yes, i miself survived a crash at twice the speed. so wtf were they thinking ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 03:54 trinque: danielpbarron: eh you know, I was going to call the book the (apparent) movie is based upon garbage, but gears began to turn, and if recollection serves, the thing's a passable depiction of what happens to meaning in the aftermath of destroyed structures of authority, a la mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: paste ? ( i can't be arsed to read the d00d's www )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mirrolade, etc and other lulz are kinda why I would like to see the asciilifeform take on this one
asciilifeform: interesting lulgem from the paper, 'An email client receiving a PGP-signed message may try to automatically download the corresponding public key.' << i never used 'pgp for lusers' emailtrons and had nfi. would explain one obvious modality for the 'mirrorolade' item
BingoBoingo: AHA, I was just getting ready to write up "Vulnerability In Common Email Client Handling Of Decrypted Plaintext"
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 02:27 mircea_popescu: by now i can sorta distinguish the noobs from the veterans because the noobs send me gpg blobs with "Content-Type: multipart/mixed;" mixed in, whereas the veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body.
danielpbarron: yeah i liked the movie
trinque: it's been ten years since I cracked Kundera, couldn't say whether he intended said depiction, or it's just my own digestive process that says so
trinque: danielpbarron: eh you know, I was going to call the book the (apparent) movie is based upon garbage, but gears began to turn, and if recollection serves, the thing's a passable depiction of what happens to meaning in the aftermath of destroyed structures of authority, a la mircea_popescu ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And I found the green Rio de la Plata parrots on Trilema http://trilema.com/2016/peruvian-immigrants-argentine-natives/
asciilifeform: i suspect (but cannot prove) that there is at least a trace of underlying thought of 'so suppose he's telling the truth. nao wat? throw away mit diploma? eat pistol? eat from dumpsters?'
a111: Logged on 2014-05-25 21:19 mircea_popescu: Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure.
mircea_popescu: i find this eerlily apt. the fundamental fact of the neet isn't that it's alienated ; but that it lacks the capacity for alienation altogether.
asciilifeform: i.e. one investor's 500k builds a co2 extractor; the other's 2m usd -- mysteriously evaporates without building much of anything
asciilifeform: i still suspect that folx who 'i'ma get in on ground floor and GetRich(tm)', a la ben_vulpes's friend, are misguided , because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044114 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i expect they'll get paid ; the pot lulz is not without financing.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:25 asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
lobbes: Though, I think mr p's "aquarium performance drug" theory is spot on re: pot. Encourages general complacency with less "action" than alcohol inspires.