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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 19yo female, bb. that's not occuring. << Frequent occurence. Typical hardware store is full of 19 year old girls. Even in the lumber section. Pinterest is a thing apparently.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-10 20:10 mircea_popescu: basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem.
asciilifeform: i actually worked with this notion last year, when investigating nonretarded (i.e. of provable complexity) block ciphering. and came to same realization that mircea_popescu is probably about to come to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even supposing that you had this, if you actually needed all pubkeys in use to-date to verify a sig... it'll be painful
asciilifeform: as i understand, what mircea_popescu would like is : V(K1, S)=false, V(K2, S)=false, .... BUT V(K1,K2,..,KN, S) = true
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hey BingoBoingo were you in georgia ? << That's thestringpuller
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe, for my education, how Proper ring signature differs from shamir's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be capped at 2, either, unless you use casks and want to leave room for dozen+ hop stages
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fixed-width tx buys us this algo. but not only it. for instance, an adult tx's unique index can be quite short : blknum_txoffset. this in turn saves space elsewhere, for all time.
asciilifeform: in above example, the 'arity' of the xor is 3. and mircea_popescu will probably answer, when he comes back , that evil miner will waltz the nonce until the 3 necessary tx are the ones that fit in his pocket. but arity doesn't have to be 3.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu find a new chocolate icecream shop! he oughta go there, eat some, come back with theorem.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, mircea_popescu's algo had two major effects -- a) nodes have something valuable to sell b) all users are protocolically forced to retain all blocks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lessee!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tried again, with possibly adequate specificity this time!
deedbot: danielpbarron rated Aphex_ 1 << euloran bundle maker
shinohai waves to pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: friend of yours from meatspace ?
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated omraphantom 1 << kinkster engineer teenager or something.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 , et al : meanwhile, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache_yet_moar.txt
asciilifeform: so far mircea_popescu is the people-bringin' champ
mircea_popescu: but in other western technologies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10a3976994cae7727aeb3127572ad86/tumblr_mmbrdcBrgU1rgefeko1_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 00:10 ben_vulpes: not the pipes necessarily, but the garden; dog; wife; child; engines of my own...
asciilifeform: even went to mircea_popescu's c1
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 01:27 mircea_popescu: and a very fine point in case here, from my own personal experience, is that xapo sad faggot, wences casares.
shinohai: mod6: No I was trying to use xmacros to automate some clicks for mircea_popescu and accidentally bought the wrong bundle @ 45 bitcents
mircea_popescu: here's a pic of a nice black girl going over backwards to suck some cock. http://68.media.tumblr.com/ca595189778e5688d585a0dbdda6f5e3/tumblr_mn2n4qplLe1s5v9c7o1_1280.png
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> trb-tits << I thought that was shinohai's fork << :D
asciilifeform: i'm still trying to puzzle out if i even disagree with mircea_popescu , upstack
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:31 mircea_popescu: ie, young brazillian chick WILL have to have her cooking checked for shit, because apparently wash hands is not universally comprehended in brazil.
asciilifeform: just earlier mircea_popescu had a thread re 'in 1970s chix did not yet wash properly' -- this is distinct from 'cultural mainstream' ? how so
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i admit, i watched for a spell.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaah yes.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did not only not care to sit and watch, but to listen, hence went elsewhere. which from ben_vulpes's description, he is doing also, but from wife, not from drills
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwu
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at one point city was digging up water pipes on my street, drill all day long, i would go elsewhere. how is this not 'escape' ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in college, hope and desperation meet : http://68.media.tumblr.com/78ceeb12e436ee751be8b934d5724392/tumblr_mo8b74ORIF1suscy8o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aaah so the usual wife-escape lol
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Rub handful of peat against forearm, repeat with coir. Note which gives aggressive ropeburn like injury.
asciilifeform: your software co. ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, what exactly stops ben_vulpes from ordering his minions around via a net pipe ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: coir is fail hippy dippy shit that they only push because "renewable"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's 'how do i get rid of my rubbish in this shithole where city charges 10bux/pound' reminds asciilifeform of asciilifeform's shed gymnastics. in that both are problems that 'sane folx' would solve by... moving
BingoBoingo: for ben_vulpes inevitable curiosity used 4 cu ft. med texture vermicultie, 3 cu ft. peat moss, 300 lbs (~6.7 cu ft.) composted cow manure, and assorted bags of clearance potting soil that apparently did not sell last year (~ 6 cu ft, mostly Dr "earth" brand)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see an eggog
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/eba3b221f7bfbce91d3da8e72c16de71/tumblr_mong7m7z1P1s340tzo1_1280.jpg << essayist, thinker, intellectual and american culture icon of greater depth and importance than susan sontag.
mircea_popescu: and in other alt-successful-living, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3152999915e71b0f02ef9d312937441e/tumblr_nkmhpd11pm1tstx4jo6_400.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trb-tits << I thought that was shinohai's fork
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is right.
asciilifeform: hm, now that i think about it, when using mircea_popescu's algo, you take your current chain to be the linearization. and if your chain gets orphaned, you consequently get a new linearization.
asciilifeform: (how many is N ? i have nfi.. mircea_popescu remembers a time when n was 60, iirc from last night thread)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had this thread, trb retains orphaned branches of any and every size, because it never goes back to remove anything from ~inside~ a blkxxxx.dat .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. go, look.
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone recalls the 'eatblock' thread -- i found that my blkxxxx.dat differed, in a handful of places, from mircea_popescu's, and yet again from every other trb node's.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu didja ever explain how your algo from http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol deals with the nonlinearity of the chain ? (the orphan stublets - discarded ? and if so, when exactly. because there are points in time where two traditional-bitcoin nodes disagree on what 'all blocks to date, linearly ordered' were. )
trinque cannot find the log line from mircea_popescu re: developing economy and deficit spending, but mr bannon apparently heard him
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nTd2ZAX_tc << idiotic title.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 11:30 mircea_popescu: wtf "nothing sexual happens". in a fucking theatre ? that's insanity.
shinohai: In-School_suspension
asciilifeform: site reminded me heavily of ben_vulpes's laments.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-28 03:24 asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:10 mircea_popescu: the (false!) theory that the bitcoin unit of account is the 0.00000001 btc or satoshi is based on the batshit insane theory that a system could ever be devised that would track 21 million hundred million individual 512byte outputs.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 14:52 asciilifeform: in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache.txt << the cache thing, to current time
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619020 continued >>>>>>> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache_moar.txt ☝︎
asciilifeform: specifically, in section 5, where we have T'_i = H(T_i) ought to read instead : T'_i = H(A'_i+T_i).
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu to revisit upstack : there is a serious mistake in my casks.txt , that i did not spot until now:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has an article with springs and ratchets, iirc, aha
asciilifeform: i for one do not much care whether they 'take remedial class remedial in washing' in a specially-designated leprosorium , or in mircea_popescu's cellar; just for so long as the non-washers do not get to redefine what washing means.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 15:53 mircea_popescu: "to advance it is at serious odds with the massive glorification of youth. As marketing found itself unable to expand without encroaching upon our childhood, the intense drive to capture the minds of the youngest among us has tended to make people believe that 30 years of experience can be replaced by the young looks of rank novices. This is made worse by the management schools that make it possible for people who have yet
asciilifeform: imho it is not unreasonable to ask that kid save up his coinz until tx fee doesn't dwarf his payload. just as it is not unreasonable to ask chick to grow before qualifying for mircea_popescuation.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:33 mircea_popescu: you would be surprised how many girls have to be taught how to wash.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: practically speaking on current tech the bitcoin unit of account is probably something like 0.25
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:31 mircea_popescu: a seventh and final problem : you now constructed a chain of casks, on top of the blockchain. consider what happens if node fails to keep his ENTIRE history of casks EVER issued : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613884
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:24 mircea_popescu: a sixth, also major problem is that the system offers no serious guarantees to the user. think of some situations : a) i mined some bitcoin back in 2011, today i clean out the closed and boot up old laptop, to check out the tits and bits of ex gf who was back then hot and heavy into me. i jack off, and then snoop around and find a bitcoin wallet with ~500 btc in it. i go to spend it... and discover... that i know no nodes...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm ok with 11 in, 11 out. so long the byte block for them is FIXED.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:08 mircea_popescu: a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:08 mircea_popescu: a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:14 mircea_popescu: a fourth, minor point, is that you have your market primitives ass-backwards. no price formation is ever envisaged to have "asks may depend on bids" as an edulcoration of "asks are fixed ; bids are fixed" because it is always possible to produce a pricing function for the product (based on cost) whereas it's never possible to produce a pricing function for the demand (demand is a psychological, not a physical phenomenon). the
asciilifeform: i'm with mircea_popescu on this one
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 11:59 mircea_popescu: there's a different, much less notable problem wrt to what constitutes "a rotten fill". if i go to the stock market (i mean the old, gentlemany, pit of hand gestures thing) and bid "sentiments" for a certain share, i am in fact engaging in retarded behaviour, on the level of sjwing, and will, and should be kicked out.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 11:56 mircea_popescu: to demand miner makes a certified statement to the effect of "offset 0xa to 0xb in block y is reserved for txn 0xc" is putting a constraint on this p2p system the likes of which it can't conceivably bear.
asciilifeform: sooo first of all, hats off to mircea_popescu for actually digesting this piece
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 17:51 mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ready for some answrs?
trinque: ben_vulpes: lady friend tried to explain rocky horror to me once, did not make it through my thick skull
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 05:16 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:48 mircea_popescu: and then she hates her parents.
asciilifeform: nighty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah, on 2nd thought it probably does not belong there. But at least is clearly marked as not belonging !111
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in france, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iysdFu_TQ
trinque: !!key Aphex_
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/571C5222741EC7293E8C100CAF612354E65E3459.asc
mircea_popescu: !!key Aphex_
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh the boojum'll turn up. it is not given to ~anybody to invent 2 nice algos...
asciilifeform: and at the same time grade nodes by degree of promise-keeping, as described by mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he wants to make promises -- they gotta be opposable
asciilifeform: to rewrite formally, a cask is a C = sig_h1(sig_h2(sig_h3(.....sig_m('i'll mine a tx for q btc/kb...'))); tx author signs, author_sig(my_tx + C)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 21:41 asciilifeform: actually i know an algo that does this. will post it later, if it isn't obvious to mircea_popescu et al after a few minutes' thought.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 22:07 mircea_popescu: now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:17 mircea_popescu: if it were the case you had to pay 2 bux to transact in 2011, bitcoin'd have never exiosted
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems more of a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618577 neh ☝︎