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mod6: Simply because I didn't know that it was output to 'out/trb', and then I moved the dir to 'trb'. lol. So i tried to run the thing against a dir, not a crystal. Once I realized that, worked fine.
mod6: The barf is actually in that log, there was a lot of those -- one for each vpatch. I should note though, my copy/paste may have thrown in some weird chars there, so just ignore that, that's not from your script, or my edits thereof.
asciilifeform: ( for puzzled readers -- script in ^ is a generator of a set of tests for the 'crystals' demo, rather than the thing per se )
asciilifeform: iirc this was a headache in early trb days
mod6: However, I'd like to say that there were a few things that threw me off.
asciilifeform: overall a notbad.jpg box, mechanically, esp. for what it costs.
asciilifeform: ( there is a triangular heat spreader on the cpu and ram, in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_bottom_nope.jpg can be seen the grease spot from it )
asciilifeform at one time had a reasonably watertight hdd ( 'battened down' by hand for the application )
mircea_popescu: but in plain terms, it turns out the human body is actually very well designed to not have a problem with sand.
mircea_popescu: well so pack a towel to sit on.
asciilifeform: i had a cloth one back home, and did not relish to put on the 'recycled bottles' sold in uy
BigTexasBingo: I don't really have a burn either so much as gently weeping skin on my face that screams with prolonged pressure like sunglasses on mt nasal bridge
BigTexasBingo: December was a month where the boots were *just* broken in enough to serve as a cast for the stress fractures
asciilifeform: a+++ but even these, have limits, when pavement is ~= rubble
BigTexasBingo: I actually think my pair maybe has a fiberglass rod in the sole. The appeal here is non slip rubber and dead cow.
BigTexasBingo: Going back to boots after the sneakers got soaked Saturday was a trip
mircea_popescu: haha dood this sounds like it was a helluva trip.
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo has been doing a most fine job of pizarro-resident, deserves some raise.
BigTexasBingo: Oh boy, the family has a father/cuck lecturing to me in front of the niños
mircea_popescu: a ok, so you billed pizarro for those. i see i see.
mircea_popescu: the only unclear part to me is the rockchips. nsa never paid you to buy them ; nor was paid for pizarro to acquire them. i imagine this was a side deal ?
mircea_popescu: then he later paid a further .4 for a fg bundle, taking nsa to .9 worth of convertible bonds, ie a ~7,5% holderr as th9ings stand
asciilifeform: then ben_vulpes purchased a box; and i'm still digging in the log for where and for what;
mircea_popescu: just saying, from a snsa perspective. it looks like a wash really.
mircea_popescu: a that's right, pizarro never paid cash, we got bonds.
mircea_popescu: trinque, can pay-invoice require a mangled number format, such as #1 or i1 or something ? i nearly paid ben_vulpes 4 btc a few days ago, and so on.
asciilifeform: the 1 item i forgot is cost of 1 spare raid cable. but let's consider it a donation...
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, mod6 what's the price for a rockchip *with* fg as per asciilifeform's description above? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: just a matter of adapted pcb ; still same item.
mircea_popescu: this is indeed where the junction is going, evolve a pcb for official arm item specifically.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's not a small thing this, safe online rsa.
asciilifeform: keep in mind that this is a pilot plant; in 'adult' 1u and 2u designs there is designated slot for FG for ~each~ board.
asciilifeform: and i doubt it would take BingoBoingo very much sweat to craft a suitable shelf to keep the FG-en on.
asciilifeform: i suppose this is not bad time to mention that i have experimental gentoo for a deloused (i.e. degoogleated) c101pa laptop
lobbes: Pizarro folx, would rockchip box be enough juice for the above? And is it still $75 for a quarter?
BingoBoingo: And in the Sportsmen being MEN department: "Bauer told Passan that he repeatedly bugged the Indians’ medical staff to cauterize his finger wound shut with a soldering iron. They laughed at him, but Bauer was 100 percent serious. He truly wanted his already mangled finger to be burnt shut so bad he almost performed the procedure himself."
mircea_popescu: the standards in computing are a thing to behold.
asciilifeform: also needs a central place to put '-j32' where it will be fed to ALL gcc & gnat invocations so that my 32-cpu box can do the Right Thing
ave1: Currently the mechanism is not fail save, so it sometimes skips a step even if it was unsuccessful.
asciilifeform: srsly this was a solved problem in 1985 or whenever first makefile was written.
mircea_popescu: as a smart slut once told peggy, "to have fun you need to organize it"
asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, asciilifeform found himself wondering, why we're still on fleanode... between pizarro, mircea_popescu's racked boxes ( idk where, but presumably good ones ? ) , asciilifeform's own fiber, trinque , etc. could have a very solid irc net, potentially ☟︎
mircea_popescu: trinque, alright, then that's the plan here, you and esthlos come up with a v i can point people at when they have to publish ; you can test it by publishing whatever it was you were about to on it, and there we go.
mod6: sign and send are gonna be a tough ones, so we'll see how it goes. I've got a new test machine on the way, so I gotta stand that up, etc for all of this too.
mod6: which, requires a lot more changes, so we'll see.
mircea_popescu: mod6, was a while ago. but anyway, nevermind, you'll do all this later. get tx tooling into trb, by all means.
mircea_popescu: it's not a trivial problem, from ada perspective.
asciilifeform: mod6: parser for what ? tx ? you allocate a max-tx-sized (1 decimal MB...) buffer and shift the input into it.
mircea_popescu: mod6, there's no rush there, esthlos had 90% of a working lisp v, i expect it can be tweaked into a deliverable. can have ada v later on.
mod6: And I'll certainly need to write something (or work with someone) to produce a ~fast~ parser. It's a giant ass-pain with the fixed-length strings.
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have a betting pool over how many retarded byte errors of the "hey, check them out, they forgot a comma" type he's gonna find before he releases anything.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806945 << "did nasty things" is not a report ;/ << Yeah, my apologies, I'll re-do. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ item here is that if you had said "hey, i work with women, we're at that age when they're becoming patently useless / damaging to a professional career, i'll be fucked till mid may" when they started popping babies while preternding to be "owners" of shit, we'd have had this convo late march not early may.
asciilifeform: theoretically should output a musltronic gnat.
phf: well, manifest is in the vtools project, but there's no programmatic support for it, because it's not even clear to me what sort of programmatic support might be needed. as it stands anyone is free to add or not add a manifest to their particular graph. the result of this experiment is that manifest works, you can see its output on the site. problem that we have is the need for a smarter grapher, the solution to which might just be "if it hurts when yo
mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i specifically don't want it on asciilifeform 's plate because i'm hoping that he and ave1 can actually get gpr work for irl purposes. if i manage to get eulora server off the fsf toolchain it'll be such a win the likes of which i hadn't dared hope for last year. between that and getting pizarro off the ground he has plenty, and not readily replaceable.
mircea_popescu: trinque, what's your stance here, do you particularly want to implement a grapher / manifest / generally fix a v ? not really ? ☟︎
phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch. ☟︎☟︎
phf: aight, i'm going to be out of commission until mid may. i have comments for eulora that i need to type up (i got to sit down with a printout out over this weekend), i'm not sure about the amount of work required for the grapher until i have time to sit down and read v.pl (i sort of have an idea of how to implement it as part of vtools, but i'm not sure if the slicing is adequate), until i do i don't have a clear idea of how long it's going to take. i m ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806945 << "did nasty things" is not a report ;/ ☝︎
phf: those thing being "i have a job irl"
phf: mircea_popescu: well, we have examples of diana_coman etc. who manages to do republican work while "raising a baby and having a day time job". presumably this shit can somehow be scheduled and managed better, i.e. the fact that those things even need to be communicated is an organizational failure. some progress could be made.
mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way. ☟︎
phf: of that fiat work, but now i can't even afford to borrow against future time. basically since i came back from a vacation when the bulk of V work was done, i had very little free time. the republican policy is variations on "fuck your fiat excuses", but that is what's creating these vacuums of "it'll be done... sometime"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806905 << well my fiat responsibilities are disrupting any kind of reasonable scheduling. i'm not 9 to 5, my fiat work goes through periods of heavy activity that are aligned with particular industry. and right now it's a particular mess, owner had a baby 3 weeks early, 2 weeks ago, another c level is having a baby in a week, and we're in the middle of a release. previous republican work was kind of cutting into some ☝︎
mod6: Otherwise we have a lot of extra complexity and mental gymnatics.
mod6: If there are 3 leaves, A, B, and C. And for some reason, I shouldn't have B and C, then I should just be a man, and remove them from my 'patches' dir.
asciilifeform: and the 'tldr' of it is: if you download the patches/sigs in the example, and press to any particular one, you get a file 'trb', which, when put through included proggy 'txt2dir' results in a bitwise-correct (i.e. bit-identical to classical tree that we have for trb) press.
asciilifeform: mod6: considering that the example i gave ~is~ the totality of the trb tree, i'm a bit puzzled, what was it you tried ?
asciilifeform: trinque: didja ever get a chance to try the algo i demo'd in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html ? what did you think ?
mod6: why are they unrelated ? are they not a part of the same project?
trinque: how do I introduce a 3rd that doesn't abandon any it does not itself modify.
mod6: If there were vpatches in your flow that went down two different paths, you simply removed those vpatches from your 'patches' directory. Press path A. You want bath B? Then you just add in what ever path B consists.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-30 23:52 phf: well, i'm now convinced that manifest is an elegant, minimally invasive solution. i'll try it in a regrind.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 04:33 mircea_popescu: how about a convention whereby all new genesises must contain a manifest.genesis file, which file will be constantly patched on each patchj, no exceptions, by adding a line which reads : "This is patch #x and the codebase hash is blabla".
hanbot: well, left branch approach does exist; that's why i was even able to put up the mp-wp genesis, after all. as for fix, sure an eta'd be better than no eta. i'm just sayin', doesn't look much like a runner to me.
mircea_popescu: well, so if i'm talking to someone that's not particularly keen on doing me any favours, what do i say to them ? something like "don't use v, it is broken" ? so they can ask me for how long it's been broken and i can say what, a month ? and they can then ask when it is going to be fixed and i can say "dunno" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 04:05 phf: trinque: it wouldn't, i believe there's an antecedent->dependency transformation issues (i.e. the transform in mod6 v is adhoc, so it can't handle the tricky antecedent graph). the approach hanbot used was to just use the patches from the left branch of the graph, until, per mircea_popescu's request, i write a general purpose v graph code.
hanbot: nop, last mention was a little over a week ago tho. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803539 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:31 mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:40 phf: in any case i'll produce a fix by wednesday, but not before. this requires careful work
a111: Logged on 2018-03-25 19:48 phf: hanbot: note that http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#selection-147.0-192.0 i'm going to fix it by wednesday, but if you can give me an unsigned rough draft of a keccak mp-wp.vpatch before then, i'll be able to use it as a test
asciilifeform: funnily enuff this is not how orig gosplan worked. ( there was a multitude of -- de-facto independent -- factories , often overlapping in subj matter )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's the fate of all government-powered pretend-business : to be rolled up into ever larger dollops, eventually a single one.
mod6: Strictly speaking, that's a very nice rack of tits, but the clothes-pins add some nice aesthetic.
mircea_popescu: a slightly less retarded one ?
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/172Wm6TXmfnUGp9yXPorJrhRZzj4PSqRor << not even enough of a clue to seed his busking hat, the orc.
mircea_popescu: if the population of venice consisted of these fucks, the turks would have discovered a decrepit fisherman's village populated of a bunch of stiff retards gathered on the beach pointing at the sea.
mircea_popescu: it's a great thing he made his own genesis that isn't.
asciilifeform: seems to contain a number of kindergarten c/asm tutorials by some orc, and little else
BingoBoingo: Another time a family with children booked the other beds in my room and despite "No guests under 18" they were here during one of the Carnaval weekends
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, There were a good number of times in January-February where my roommates for the night would be 7 identical argentine schoolgirls. They would sit in a circle and stare at their phones for hours, but at least they understand the importance of ventilation
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: alf-aesthetics is a rough pass filter
mircea_popescu: you are aware i was using it in the general, to denote the whole kit and kaboodle, high heels, proper posture, not being a lazy fuck, etc ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's orig point was precisely that... the clothespins dun do nuffin for asciilifeform . may as well be a hat with feather, or 9000 other things he's entirely insensitive to. and even the skins, i prefer the unedited ones. just-so.
asciilifeform: see, if one were to ask asciilifeform , even a haphazardly-thrown dart into 1980s su will hit one, e.g. https://archive.li/2VPRj ( tbf does include some older era pics also )
mircea_popescu: no agreement is sought. not like we're packing a cinematic capsule for mars and can only fit one removed head.
mircea_popescu: show me a soviet hottie from the 80s.
mod6: And it turns out, perhaps by luck alone, that they missed a comma on one value that is outside the normal character values for hexadecimal. If they had missed a comma somewhere in there, whoa. Could mean all kinds of bad things - OR perhaps they would have just caught it earlier as nothing would have worked right lol.