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asciilifeform: or is there a detail i'm missing.
mircea_popescu: which is why it became a "part of the conversation" in the first place.
mircea_popescu: all the hurr durr about "gender equality" is hysterically misdirected. there's a fucking reason any lamb you ever ate was MALE ; and the human herd is just about reached that threshold. nevermind "help women" -- the ones that fucking need gender equality are the bois ; otherwise they can be slaugthered tomorrow without anyone even fucking noticing.
ben_vulpes: a beheading is a beheading though!
mircea_popescu: in this case, they have a point. are you aware 2/3 of potential slavegirls' first and foremost concern is "muh college debts" ?
mircea_popescu: mod6, really, 25 is too old. the amount of cockroaches they ingested by that age makes fixing a losing proposition.
mircea_popescu: you'd of course expect usg.nsa ie the department of scientifically socialistic-flavoured numbers have ampler resources at its disposal than a shoestring sexploitation outfit in canuckistan.
asciilifeform: debug of herr boeck, grade-a imperial политтехнолог ( how does that even go in engl ? )
mircea_popescu: still worth a retrospective chuckle, just how fucking unprepared they were for it.
mircea_popescu: brought to a close some happy decades of self-flattering delusion inaugurated by the berlin wall moment.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, never before in its history of imbecility with a side serving of bald face lying, was the empire plainly humiliated on public, permanent record by manifestly superior intellectual force.
trinque: nope, but not a bad idea at all
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea
asciilifeform: ( tldr : he used a public proggy, experiment oughta be entirely replicable )
asciilifeform: iirc he used a dozen, in parallel
mircea_popescu: i doubt the entire ssh run he did even ate a gb. but it ate it over like 10 or 20mn packets something.
mircea_popescu: there's two failure modes for a router -- too much bw (ie, the sum bytes of packets is too large) ; and too many packets (ie, the individual count of packets is too large).
mircea_popescu: bw not a consideration here ; packets are. and you want to find out anyway. consider it free pizarro stresstesting.
asciilifeform: iirc i originally introduced phuctor as 'catalogue of rsa keys which are inexpensively breakable'. for said formulation it does not matter precisely ~how~, if tomorrow i conceive of a wholly novel inexpensive break, i will apply it to phuctor with the others ( as i applied classical methods, gcd, bernsteinistic gcd, fermat, ( in the worx...) lenstra , etc . )
asciilifeform: should pop a pretty large population of currently 'green' moduli
asciilifeform: i mean privkeys. a la debian.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i have a collection of ~50k published shitrouter/etc privkeys here, that's been patiently waiting for the db to grow up
mircea_popescu: i wonder if it'll make a record lines day or not.
asciilifeform: for nao i think i'ma put a 20 s. sleep b/w 'ticks'
mircea_popescu: imo reporting some rather than all factors for a given modulus is fine, nothing lost.
asciilifeform: trinque: i unfortunately dun have a fast way of answering this riddle
mircea_popescu: scarcely a concern neh ?
asciilifeform: i inserted the delay mircea_popescu suggested, but imho this is not a troo pill
trinque: aha, deedbot also will not eat more than 20 entries from a feed at a time
asciilifeform: i'ma have to make a moar hightech rss mechanism, with queuing etc
mircea_popescu: and yes now it feels like it's an actual republican item rather than ductape-and-windoze press a key and go draw a bath.
trinque: I'll digest more and probably have more proposals for ya, but will get my hands into the code myself too, and we'll get a genesis of this put together.
trinque: not detracting from your having put in the work so far, glad to see a lisp V.
trinque: moving from printing to returning objects (recall, you can inform lisp ~how to print your objects at the repl) would be a huge improvement
esthlos: if you do so before friday, I can likely get a prototype by monday. otherwise it will be sometime the week after
esthlos: so trinque, can you provide me with a list of changes (or write your own and diff, if you prefer)?
esthlos: I might say, conceptual simplicity. It's possibly a holdover from my scheme origins, but I usually write whatever datastructures I need on my own as closures
trinque: considering that there may be other lisp programs that want to use this as a dependency, it'd be really nice if instead of returning nils, printing strings, you returned a list of vpatch objects.
mircea_popescu: and yes, you've got clear way here to producing a standard item, so burn rubber baby.
esthlos: esthlos-v doesn't touch on (a); I was indeed waiting for standardized philosophy file format. (b) I will test
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
mircea_popescu: esthlos, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ; b) how does your item handle the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794417 problem ? ☝︎☝︎☟︎
trinque: yeah, the lisp is a little green
esthlos: trinque: you can find my writeup at http://blog.esthlos.com/a-vtron/ . I recall you wanted to have the thing return sane data from ops instead of format barfage
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:29 mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.
mircea_popescu: just in case you're still belabouring under the misapprehension that the usg puppet show is a "field" with "experts" and whatnot, that is.
mircea_popescu: "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
trinque left a long while ago
trinque: sure, and this was a guy that was spending his own money because "eventually we'll figure out what to do with UX"
asciilifeform: or are we talking about a d00d circa 1992 or somesuch
asciilifeform: surely had a notion that, e.g., spam, exists ?
trinque: whole project started at far too high a stack of chairs, atop postgres, browser, etc
trinque: nodes can also describe transformations from one schema to another, so your "post" table's cols map to mine via a given function
trinque: taking the simple case of a blog, node serves up a metadata endpoint that says "posts, comments, etc" and their structure. client can take suggestion from the server on how to display these, or can use whatever it likes on its end instead.
asciilifeform: i admit to a little curiosity re what 'turn into distributed db' meant ( can query it ? who supplies the 10^9000 cpu cycles ..? )
trinque: also a "semantic web" guy
trinque: it's amazing how much gabriel_laddel reminds me of an old boss. nearly drank himself to death, grand mission to turn the www into a distributed db. the obsessive ones like this only get un-stuck by the threat of death, which is why they try as they might to impose it upon themselves.
spyked agrees. and also wonders why the whole "cloaks are a privilege handed by fleanode staff" etc. still, uses the bit above for the time being and would have been odd to keep to himself.
spyked: from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.
asciilifeform: ( iirc in old thread we discussed this: asciilifeform suspects that 'subjective lag' is not a function of absolute delay, but of ~variation~ in same )
spyked is of course curious to hear if this is considered an anti-feature by republican standards. but has used it for a while now.
spyked: lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.
lobbes: Neato spyked. Though, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever grouped nicks under a user via NickServ. Besides the cloaking, what other utility is there to grouping in this way?
spyked: I've added the "user" slot as a keyword argument to highlight optionality, but not sure whether this is the right way to go about it.
spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/chicks-in-pantsuits-winning-arguments-with-yours-truly-a-comedic-goldmine-of-lulz-and-tears/ << Trilema - Chicks in pantsuits winning arguments with yours truly, a comedic goldmine of lulz and tears.
mircea_popescu: like a decade ago
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, that case is really no different ; phuctor is just a mechanized trilema with a narrow focus.
mircea_popescu: and even more complicated dirty mixes, whereby eg "the article -- new ; but the comments -- old, so we are serving a false imaginary situation that never could have existed irl!!!" is still... no harm done WHATSOEVER.
mircea_popescu: in the case of trilema, for instance, the db serving articles FROM YESTERDAY OR EARLIER ONLY, ie, 86400000000 microseconds old, is still 99% of the job done. cuz most of the time you're not even using it for "the latest", and even if there is a latest in any meaningful sense it's many millions / billions / trillions microseconds old anyway.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html
ben_vulpes is a day behind, will attend to invoices that need indepth review tomorrow; outstanding invoices will go out this pm
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."
mircea_popescu: which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807501 << technically speaking, it's for everyone ; the problem is that for the average man intelligence amplification takes a shape very much indistinguishable from sheer pain. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.
ben_vulpes: right. put another way, why are you so obsessed over this nominally-solved problem to such a degree that you'd deprive the republic of a capitalized sapper
ben_vulpes: and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:28 gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
gabriel_laddel: *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.
ben_vulpes: to steal a mircea_popescu-ism: nuts.
asciilifeform: 'Is there any way out for the majority of addicts who can't buy a boat and sail the Seven Seas?' << lulzy
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu I got a stopgap for the time being.
mircea_popescu: i thought lisp stuff for money is the province of a few remainder whitebeards in usg.missiles grandfathered contracts.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I've no problem with working in BTC, but you have to understand that when I say things like "no really, I've 1 computer, ~400 usd to my name and a package of camels" I really mean it.
ben_vulpes: hey gabriel_laddel now that you've got a job and everything, how about a bouncer on the pizarro shared host?
mod6: I guess I need to noodle on this a while, and perhaps make a different example outside the context of trb.
asciilifeform: ( bonus, is that it also cures inbandism that orig. v suffers from. albeit this requires a slightly modified differ . )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me a correctly designed and properly implemented version of trinque 's original doodle, which he summarily described as "bundle all files together and hash"
asciilifeform: if you display the thing in phf's viewer, or mod6's , you will see a vertical 'pillar' of flow, rather than the familiar tree.
mod6: I believe so, it does this: 1] It takes a press of v99. 2] Runs dir2txt.py on each dir, doing vdiffs of all the files. Stuffing output into monoblok. 3] Monoblok has 1 antecedent hash, 1 dependant hash, rest meta & source. 4] You load the monobloks (signed ofc) into a vtron, press them. They press into one giant file with metadata and source only. 5] one runs txt2dir.py on teh giant crystal to inflate univ
mod6: I guess I just tripped up on some of the things. But, hey, sorry I didn't just do a report from jumpstreet.
asciilifeform: mod6: note, even tho the proggy ~could~ be used as-is, i doubt that anybody would want to; it is really demo of a potential frontend to be built into vtron .
asciilifeform: mod6: the press (using ordinary v) creates a text file, 'trb'. which then is 'untarred', if you will, to 'makefiles' .