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asciilifeform: at this point (where i have pinout, approx description of the internal movements, timings, leaked instruction set spec , a working machine to probe ) i dun expect to find much in the way of useful clue in old talk by designer
amberglint: also talks about RISC
amberglint: in the end of the video Knight is talking about MultiLisp
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:45 phf: it's funny that 36xx series is basically an improved cadr. ivory on the other hand? literally scheme86: they poached both the main guy who worked on the cpu ~and the entire toolset~. ivory was still designed on CADR (rather than smbx), because that's where scheme team designed theirs
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. this thread.. ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'cadr' is quite well documented, but not particularly informative re 'ivory', which built after more than decade of refinement/simplification
asciilifeform: amberglint: not seen. from fast look , seems to be more about orig lispm ('cadr') tho.
amberglint: asciilifeform: have you seen this lecture by Tom Knight? from about the same time, but not strictly about the Ivory: https://www.csail.mit.edu/node/5861
BingoBoingo: PeterL: I'm not opposed to the idea, but it took dropping the one auction down to 500 USD before it started drawing regular bidding action. Before then I was starting auctions one after another before one would get a bid. Also if an exchange rate auction over 500 USD and pay the datacenter auction over 2835 US vary by too much that gets messy.
asciilifeform: it isn't anywhere enuff info , however, to make a cycle-accurate clone ( i.e. reliable emulation ) . for this, will need the actual internals .
asciilifeform: amberglint: was given not only pinout, but timing, addressing, etc. spec, theoretically could bring up the chip and boot something.
asciilifeform: (originally question was how to get pinout spec)
asciilifeform: so possibly dun even need , necessarily, the board layout
asciilifeform: amberglint: it did not result in very useful picture ( the 'production' model of ivory has thick metallic lid which my tube does not penetrate. ) xray was bought to photograph the 'macivory' pcb tracks. but since this, i was given a pinout (not published yet, cuz again short on time)
amberglint: amberglint: yeah, I remember your recent attempt to x-ray the chip to get a better idea how to decap it
asciilifeform: amberglint: for microscopy, difficulty is in decap ( can't afford to lose samples to botched decap ) and then delayer ( i expect will need at least 1 shot with stripped metal , after surface shot , to get useful output )
asciilifeform: it'll need, i expect, fpga + usb3 chip (cuz 200MB/sec to properly sample all the pins)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 14:16 asciilifeform: little flex pcb thing, inserts under the 'ivory' and brings the signals out to analyzer.
asciilifeform: amberglint: once i wrap up ffa, will proceed to bake a probe for the working machine, to get oscillogram of couple minutes of bootup/run ☝︎
BingoBoingo: PeterL: This is true
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 21:45 BingoBoingo: This update raises a serious issue in the lack of success I have had setting a price point at auction this month http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/10/pizarro-isp-update-february-10th-2019/#selection-31.0-49.104
BingoBoingo: There's also this thread in log http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894828 Anyways, I do want to see auction built up. Will try to see if I can get bicycle guy into WoT. As far as brokering I don't know how much formality can/should be injected before the ceremony of formaility becomes a handicap. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i have 5 samples of 'ivory' (incl. the 1 installed in working machine) , still not enuff to throw around without thinking ☟︎
asciilifeform: amberglint: right. sadly no time at the moment to dig in further
amberglint: asciilifeform: I was glad to read in the logs that you found the pinout and those other docs
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:27 asciilifeform: seems odd that someone would effectively give 3k / coin to us 'for phree' for the privilege of not participating in auction.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913285 << heathen exchange rate moved significantly since auction happened, when the auction finished it was pretty close to heathen rate ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 21:50 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform met with some meatspace folx who rent out time on sem & ion beam station by the hr. 'bout a hundy per hr.
asciilifeform: amberglint: most recent movement on this front, is that i found microscopy shop where reasonable price, but self-service -- gotta decap & delayer the thing personally ☝︎
asciilifeform: amberglint: the 1 you posted was actually clearer.
amberglint: asciilifeform: I've stumbled upon a video recording of the lecture on the Ivory given by a bolix engineer in 1987, apparently uploaded by a bolix 'graphics division' alumnus just two weeks ago, thought I should share it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e39LnDVBl4c
amberglint: BingoBoingo: thank you, I was too slow
asciilifeform: observation is not from pov of 'ooh, must save these poor gullible derps'. i readily agree, neither can be saved nor is particularly interesting use of time to try.
diana_coman: next you'll think "for the future of the children" actually means something
diana_coman: well yes, but they are all about themselves, what;
asciilifeform: i meet these regularly.
diana_coman: eh, they will live among emigrated friends of same type, basically re-making the local village, what ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:53 diana_coman: there are as many types of sausage including cardboard ones in Ro, no problem
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913306 << diana_coman : the thing typical 'sausage emigre' dun realize, is that in reich there is not only cardboard sausage, but ~cardboard people~ ☝︎
asciilifeform: if 'bicyclist' willing to get in wot himself -- can bid.
asciilifeform: so as to build the auction up, rather than it being a secondary sad item
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm not opposed to 'locally acquired fiat'. but imho it oughta be brokered via someone in wot (e.g. BingoBoingo . )
asciilifeform: imho typical 'sausage emigre'
diana_coman: so in this sense I don't see what reading it does - it has nothing to do with anything as such
BingoBoingo: Well we've had this line http://pizarroisp.net/2019/05/06/pizarro-april-2019-report/#selection-13.1470-13.1550 in the monthly reports for a few months now since 500 USD WFF was settled as the bidable parcel
diana_coman: there are as many types of sausage including cardboard ones in Ro, no problem ☟︎
diana_coman: well yes, that would have been perfectly ro to in the '90s ; not now though
asciilifeform: 'sausage emigre' is stock term from rusphere , there folx chronically cited '50 types of sausage' as 'first impressions from new york' etc ☟︎
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: if I read that correctly, asciilifeform simply says that you should arbitrate yourself the 2 markets you have access to, since you consider it worth it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun think i can be surprised what people can be convinced to eat, 'without complaint', after 25+ yrs in mcdonaldistan
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 16:00 asciilifeform: 'move to usa! 500 kinds of sausage in the store!' 'cardboard with antibiotic?' 'shuddup terrorist'
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913262 -> for one thing you'd be surprised what people actually eat without complaint and for the other it's not even the sausages they are moving for; usually it is more about the "comfort" aka the environment that *least* magnifies their own particular problems (in other words that lies best to them). ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'bicyclist' gives none of these
asciilifeform: auction aint perfect by any means, but it does give a) participants in wot b) multiple bidders, i.e. fallback if top bidder somehow fails c) publicly readable pricepoint indicator
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 22:07 BingoBoingo: Anyways, if there is something I can do whether that is standardizing the length of auction, day of the month it starts, duration, etc feedback is welcome.
BingoBoingo: Link to previous conversation on the subject http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894840 ☝︎
asciilifeform: really i'd like to hear what mp_en_viaje thinks re subj, and take as dispositive.
asciilifeform: there aint no 'accidental' warm barrels in taiga.
asciilifeform: but realize that 'ooh, this barrel i found in the taiga is warm!' is how chukcha ends up sawing open rtg.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can't resist to 'pump' the heat gradient, i'd even prefer if you bid on auction yerself and milked 'bicyclist' w/ own steam. ☟︎
asciilifeform: say one day 'bicycle' doesn't turn up. then wat. yer out x coin, and there's no fallback bidder.
asciilifeform: ( possibly -- directed enemy effort to throw wrench into auction. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'tanstaafl'(tm) -- to me, smells like boobytrap.
BingoBoingo: But for the past several months, the Oriental Republic has been paying more for coin than inside the Serene Republic
BingoBoingo: I'll try getting the guy to GPG
asciilifeform: seems odd that someone would effectively give 3k / coin to us 'for phree' for the privilege of not participating in auction. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: If the cash can be acquired locally for just under 8000 USD/Bitcoin to pay the datacenter, it seems like a prudent opportunity to build up the local network of corruption
BingoBoingo: We have our May exchange rate from the Auction of: May 2019: 1 BTC = 5319 USD
BingoBoingo: And TMSR exchange rate has been running noticably below heathen exchange rate.
BingoBoingo: We've been doing the 500 USD auctions the past few months to set the exchange rate. 500 USD auctions because bidding on higher amounts of WFF has been low
asciilifeform: imho we oughta keep the auction going properly.
asciilifeform: is 'bicycle exchange' participant in the auction ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the person I've been dealing with to get cash locally
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mod6: Bicycle based exchange says he can do the datacenter's amount with a week's notice so I am inclined to go that route this month.
asciilifeform: dahvid.minor at gmail.com btw, if someone wants to ping'im ( asciilifeform is, by all indications, cursed, nobody ever replies )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 04:25 mp_en_viaje: I find your precise, explicit style quite refreshing ; please drop by the Most Serene Republic's <a href=https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema>online forum</a> sometime." comment on your site, but it says "Wrong."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913172 << this is odd -- worx 100% afaik (observe, orig. commenter was able to post.) didja answer the 'x xor y' riddler ? ☝︎
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/05/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-jan-febr-and-march-1716-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of Jan. Febr. and March, 1716 - Part V.
asciilifeform: ( ~100% of their public kiosks etc run winblows of 1 kind or another )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:25 spyked: re. ticket machines: whole ticket infrastructure in buc (and as far as I could tell timis too) is contracted to UTI, who installed embedded shit that for years wouldn't go past the power-on BIOS screen (they used AMD CPUs with some Linux distro on top). ticket machines are a few decades away, although there are maybe three of those in buc.
asciilifeform: 'move to usa! 500 kinds of sausage in the store!' 'cardboard with antibiotic?' 'shuddup terrorist' ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 17:02 asciilifeform: they remind asciilifeform of those glue traps for ants.
asciilifeform: apparently the ant trap still worx... ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: pretty recent mobo, loox like, tho. (ddr3..) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 12:20 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/my-new-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- My new motorcycle
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 00:19 asciilifeform: gotta wonder if the derps suspected that it would turn into http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_umt1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_umt2.jpg
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:03 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913107 <-- /me is curious re which hinterlands. has some photos from places that might qualify, but they didn't make the cut.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913206 << i've witnessed this. but only in high voltage rectifiers that ate a bit of lightning ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:12 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913178 <-- some pretty shitty graffiti too, incl. derpy "political statements", e.g. "basarabia is romania". might photo some of that next photo session
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913231 << fwiw, here's a few that i had found then : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis17/graffiti/index.html ☝︎
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/my-new-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- My new motorcycle ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:25 spyked: re. ticket machines: whole ticket infrastructure in buc (and as far as I could tell timis too) is contracted to UTI, who installed embedded shit that for years wouldn't go past the power-on BIOS screen (they used AMD CPUs with some Linux distro on top). ticket machines are a few decades away, although there are maybe three of those in buc.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913236 -> lolz! ploiesti (~60km north of bucharest) simply has machine at bus stop, put coins in and get your tickets, get on the bus and stamp them sort of thing; totally works too, as far as I saw none of them broken or anything and they've been around for some years already. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so i just had the currier drop on me a certain something...
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/counterfit-romania/ << Trilema -- Counterfit Romania
spyked: re. ticket machines: whole ticket infrastructure in buc (and as far as I could tell timis too) is contracted to UTI, who installed embedded shit that for years wouldn't go past the power-on BIOS screen (they used AMD CPUs with some Linux distro on top). ticket machines are a few decades away, although there are maybe three of those in buc. ☟︎☟︎
spyked can definitely see the pointlessness of bus -- and sometimes tram -- transportation, where the bus in question spends most of its time waiting for the traffic to clear.
mp_en_viaje: aha, it's tiny.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, besides timisoara very walkable. morning walk was cca 30 minutes from near the slaughterhouse/sala olimpia to e.g. cathedral.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 04:42 BingoBoingo: Romania appears to have some pretty good graffiti game though