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asciilifeform: ( heathens virtually always insist on 'private' comm, and have to be beaten with a stick to even contemplate sane conversation )
mircea_popescu: but you didn't do this in a useful way ; because there's, for instance, no way for your friends (such as, say, you from the future) to reference it! or for the op to see anything.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 01:50 asciilifeform: here's a sample of convos b/w asciilifeform and heathens ( whom he knows irl, over yrs ) : 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' ; 'i have to do what!? to get server in the rack?!' etc
mircea_popescu: and this;d be a major problem ~even if~ l1 added up to 50%+1 of the entire world.
mircea_popescu: the problem as far as i discern it is, "not only there's no conversation going, but the mutism threatens to entrench itself as a 'way to be', and it's not sustainable". when's the last time pizarro talked to anyone ? gotta talk to people, somehow, somewhere. silence is a first approximation of death.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's particular concern , is , in short form : right now we have the ~physical~ component of the item we wanted for yrs , a l1-operated locking-cage isp. but not ~economic~ component, because l1 does not presently add up to sufficient custom to power the thing 100% . so it needs heathen power. but this must be achieved without compromising on the 'l1 isp' .
mircea_popescu: pretty much the ~whole~ of economic activity is the process of a) building b) truthful propositions that c) describe some sort of comparative advantage and d) lots of it, especially e) of a very easily defended kind.
mircea_popescu: mod6, you understand, refinancing is people putting money on a proposition. it depends immensely what the proposition is. P1 = "our book value is ~11 and consists 95% of exotic hardware nobody else can get where it is" is very different from P2 = "we ate through our seed A+++ would do some more dicking about with files we download. oh and there's also some hardware."
asciilifeform wishes there were a spare asciilifeform , because asciilifeform is 150% loaded with chores
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta do a ro expedition.
mircea_popescu: did you ever manage to get a btc->fiatola conversion going ? or what, still mired in paperwork is it ?
mircea_popescu: i said it once, you know. aanyway : the original idea (get >=300 rockchips there, in a dozen+ Us) was trashed by practical considerations (as alf pointed out, he can't carry 12 us in one go) ; but it'd have required refinancing because you simply did not have enough money to pay for it.
asciilifeform: esp given as the fact that the project has cost asciilifeform a good % of his btc and the bulk of his usd
mircea_popescu: but you will have hell on wheel in your hands trying to get more money as a palliative solution to "i don't feel like building sales today". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: equity entitles you to a say, but the necessities of physical world (whereby there's only so many seats for the thing to work ; and whereby those have to be seated on by physical people) make the relationship between board and equity somewhat electoral.
mircea_popescu: mod6, well, if it's a sale, like how you got it, then yes. if it's just refinancing, then you keep whatever %.
mircea_popescu: it's not really practical to have no boards, generally ; but also not larger than maybe a half dozen+1. even that's large.
mod6: I believe this is probably a good way to get Pizarro into better financial shape, but it's hard for me to imagine how this works.
mod6: asciilifeform: it wasn't months. I spent probably 1 weekend hacking on a psql ddl back in march, and ben_vulpes is finally getting around to looking at it now.
mircea_popescu: hey, you get a free db with the file system, i never was arsed to do any better on my reports. not that i'm proposing my laziness as the model for anyone else nor that i think the bikeshedding discussion needs to continue, now extented into a theoretical comparison of the merits and dismerits of postgress and implicit-fs-db.
asciilifeform: and it has all of the pertinent functionality of a microshit spreadshit etc
asciilifeform: it wouldn't even bother me if it were a js hack, along the lines of my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809743 example ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it can't just be a csv ?
mod6: It is not a waste of time.
mod6: All I'm saying is, a business should have a formal way to track things, this is all.
mod6: God forbid that ben_vulpes get's hit by a car on his bike tomorrow and then we have to pick this up.
mod6: I don't care if it's a flat file either.
mod6: I want all of the things in a place we can all refer to and say "oh there it is! now I can see how many x are in there" or whatever.
mircea_popescu: you're a nice guy, mod6, and your point is without merit. nevertheless, the whole thing's a bike shed. who the hell even cares what the infrastructure is like for handling six numbers ?
mod6: I'm no accountant, or anything, however, I find it insane to try to keep track of things in a lisp script. Do we really want to debug our accounting things every week/month?
mod6: This is a simply, 'nice to have', in my personal opinion.
mod6: I don't think it is a 'blocker', but Mr. Vulpes will have to respond to that.
mod6: Now what is a waste of time, for me, is this lisp/sexp shit. For instance, lastnight it cost us 2 man hours. 1 for me, 1 for ben who had to take me through the entire rockchip lisp thing that he created.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'waste' may be wrong word. but quite hard to see why it is a blocker for the more urgent puzzler of 'where to get customers'
mod6: So. I created this database back in March to help track inventory, payments, customer accounts, etc. This all to help ben_vulpes save time when doing reporting. Which, as I understand is taking him a lot of time each month.
mircea_popescu: do you have as much as an active account on a webmaster forum even ?
mircea_popescu: you've been "managing" the thing for months, haven't yet hired a single salesman. what are you managing over there, the transition into bureaucracy ?
mircea_popescu: you find yourself in the unique position of a start-up running out of runway that doesn't have AS MUCH AS A LANDING PAGE. suppose i wanted to send people over ; where the everloving fuck do i even send them ?
asciilifeform: unless it wants a nonstandard var name ? ( what does it want? there are 0 docs ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i must confess that i agree with mircea_popescu : the postgres db thing is neither here nor there, and in fact harmful, i would like to be able to run ben_vulpes's calculations as before , using his lisp proggies, without having to fuck with a db snapshot, wtf srsly
ben_vulpes: i'm going to do it in postgres; should be a lot easier to get php to do both the mysql for the pizarro mpwp and the postgres for deedbot than to port deedbot to mysql
mircea_popescu: "For devils have no power at all save by a certain subtle art. But an art cannot permanently produce a true form." aka "Item Dæmones non operantur nisi per artem. Sed ais non potest dare ver am formam."
mircea_popescu: (english) Moreover, every alteration that takes place in a human body - for example, a state of health or a state of sickness - can be brought down to a question of natural causes, as Aristotle has shown in his 7th book of Physics. And the greatest of these is the influence of the stars. But the devils cannot interfere with the stars. This is the opinion of Dionysius in his epistle to S. Polycarp. For this alone God can do. T
mircea_popescu: not even a bad argument ; kinda example of why i occasionally say scholastics' not what moderntards make it seem.
asciilifeform: pretty advanced, conceptually, text, working from clearly specified priors, a+++
mircea_popescu: actually it even has a "zero one infinity" statement. "if demons could alter the world then what'd stop them at all"
mircea_popescu: very refreshingly medieval perspective. what's all this "i'm a producer" bs.
mircea_popescu: approximately, "whosoever believes in self-improvement is worse than a pagan"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the external site is a bag o'lulz, belongs to iirc some radical feminist types
asciilifeform at one time lived in a house with an aquarium; on several occasion the fish -- jumped out. perhaps this is it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile moving on : the malleus item linked has a "The source version of this text, with notes and additional material, can be found at MalleusMaleficarum.org [External Site]." except the "external site" doth not include such an item.
asciilifeform: i think i get it, mircea_popescu is a zhukov-style 'mine field, what mine field, cowards, you have feet, nao move'em why dontcha' sort of commander.
mircea_popescu: or maybe a coronary. even more "typically" protective, very few people with coronaries get cancer indeed!
mircea_popescu: maybe a little bit o' the clap's the best thing for ye.
mircea_popescu: it's like thinking you were "targetted" for a street mugging. yes, you were, guess by what ? you were targetted as one of the schmucks who imagines they can be targetted by street muggings.
asciilifeform: this is a pretty odd, to put it softly, position, that , say, pugachev was dragged in a cage to the chopping block 'randomly' and 'anybody could have' ?
mircea_popescu: that it has a "university" attached instead of a "temple" is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: and existence is predicated on intelligence, and mit never had one. it's just a humongous pile of printed dollars, the us-style equivalent of the chinese "sovereign funds". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you don't put an anti-prng in the fg. why should any of the ai people put an anti-mit or a f(mit) however defined in their behaviour ?
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, this is a 'here's a tank grenade, take some with you' argument. and perfectly valid.
mircea_popescu: they then decided sussman isn't welcome either ; eventually they had to make a new "lab", to alleviate both the problem of their pretense to sovereignity, and of the people not caring what they say
asciilifeform: i suppose they could have ran off to su and tried to persuade brezhnev to build a lispm ?
mircea_popescu: do you eat bananas like a fucking orc, in "certain ways" that are "spiritual" according to the imaginary bananashamans ?
mircea_popescu: out of mit's gear. NOT on mit's terms. use, you understand me ? use. like a thing. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 22:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good thread, and notes, but the central q is still unresolved in my head -- argument is that 'they should have left mit and built the machine, in a garage, in zimbabwe ( so as to avoid paying license fee )' ? or 'should have built it without having ever been at mit' ? or which
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 21:11 phf: mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was.
asciilifeform: the other nitpick is with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640940 , but iirc i registered objection at the time ( 'gnu' was nowhere even in sight when the events in question took place, the mushroom's 'i will reimplement IT ALL!' was a flowered-up recollection of his employment at lmi, one of the 3 mit licensee corps ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: by the time of the bolix escapades, it was a done deal, if you wanted to build heavy experimental gear with substantial upfront cost and no clear market prospect -- you went to a kolhoz (e.g. mit) and prayed that they'd take .
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 17:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812937 << farming is NOT AMENABLE to any other kind of farming. the pretense to "independent farmers" is how the pantsuit chicks got the less able men off the cattle growing, you understand. the notion of "independent farmer" is a hallucination exactly like the notion of "successful starlet", sold by the press of a commercial concern for a commercial interest. hollywood WANTED a bunch of gir
asciilifeform: and if so, the folx in su who built lunar lander, also should have done it in a garage ? instead of with dirty ckkpss moneys ? or not ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good thread, and notes, but the central q is still unresolved in my head -- argument is that 'they should have left mit and built the machine, in a garage, in zimbabwe ( so as to avoid paying license fee )' ? or 'should have built it without having ever been at mit' ? or which ☟︎
mircea_popescu: really bitch ? the data processor was a computer ? ZI SA MORI TU\
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "The PDP-6 (Programmed Data Processor-6) was a computer"
mircea_popescu: web-borne noobs have a lot of trouble mentally handling sanity, what can i say.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/voy00.PDF.gpg << Send them this. Hopefully it saves a trip and get it here sooner.
asciilifeform: imho this is a useful experiment and i'd like to see an output
BingoBoingo: No further information required: "Now, the Web Platform Incubator Community Group (WICG) at the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), has released details about a browser-specific API for standardizing picture-in-picture interactions that allow websites to open an external "floating video" popup outside the browser window itself. [...] Chrome and Safari have already shipped out the new Picture-in-Picture API."
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 21:11 phf: mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was.
mircea_popescu: anywya, i think ima reprint (and adnotate) the trinque -linked bolix discussion, because i fear it's so concise and the language so tense, nobody, including myself, will understand wtf was being said in a few more years.
asciilifeform: plus a bonus helping of 'drown out trilema piece on shithubkeyz'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 13:30 asciilifeform: ^ pretty lulzy prehistory -- usg is burning the vuln in the most traditional way, complete with 'responsible disclosure'ism and a boeck-style 'researcher' ; nao spinning in every propaganda organ in unison as 'pgp broken!'
mircea_popescu: p a small thing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813131 << in the specific case of czechoslovakia, they got wet because tanks in prague. now and again "science fiction" pops up containing gender-indeterminate species, which choose a gender by context, "with joe in the room i'm samantha the slut, but when moe's around i'm butch". this is EXACTLY how societies work, they are gendered by context, and sending a bunch of tanks can very well fli ☝︎
asciilifeform: the war was the formative event of su, taking it from a kind of zimbabwe to -- very briefly -- a serious business.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813129 << in recent trilema terms one could say it captures the moment where patriarchy gave way to matriarchy in one man's mind and coincidentally at the same time in that man's country. this is not altogether a lossy summary, and it betrays literary value in the work. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: really ? cuz i seem to recall a whole bunch of ukr ustasa groups.
asciilifeform: and a major success for the beast.
asciilifeform: there's a reason why may9 is ~the~ surviving national holiday in ru, and culturally the axis on which whole propeller turns.
asciilifeform: but, observe, not as result of any unified front with english. ( not that such a thing can even be drawn in this picture, there was no unified 'indian nation' nor a stalin, to make any unified front with anyone. )
asciilifeform: no comment re 'average'. and it is not a mystery where their trajectory was after intro to whiskey.
mircea_popescu: you figure the average indian tribe was possessed enough to ~WASTE~ however many galon's worth of whiskey to get a rifle ? no way no how.
mircea_popescu: ahistorism is never a safe play.
asciilifeform: must note, that everybody who stands up and tries to build something, or colonize a continent, or do pretty much anything substantial, is 'rebelling against reality'. it only gets counted as 'eh, he went against The Way World Worx'(tm)(r) if he fails.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's actually a lot of substance to the rooseveltian-socialist "the hitler-socialists were pretty divorced from reality" claims / agitprop. even if not usually the substance they'd like there to be.
asciilifeform: it is not much of a mystery, what was planned there. complete with specific references to 'like the indians'
mircea_popescu: this is true, actually. generalplan ost was some choice rib of insanity re political sociobiology. they were gonna make a New Bavaria in odessa like "the englishers" had made New York in missisiauga
asciilifeform: there's a common set of jokes from su, q: 'if only we let germany win, we'd be drinking bavarian! riding in mercedes!' a: '... yes, ride in mercedes. but -- as the leather seat.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: note however that "moscow whip" is a very dubious item altogether, at least in the case of actually authoritarian regimes. ceausescu drove gorby mad with his "what apologize, you fucking apologize, fucker, i wasn't there."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting to run across the kundera, solzhenitsyn, or the like, whose work shows any symptoms of grasping that 1) 'free world' was a cheap scam 2) switching moscow whip for washington whip won't improve anything 3) the uppity orcs will lose whatever sovereignty, industrial civ level, etc. they have under sov colonization, when (2) happens , and remain sad and dependent
mircea_popescu: and since i;m doing this, http://trilema.com/2011/voi-ce-ati-facut-in-viata-asta-ba/#selection-45.99-49.7 is a learned reference, to "Am avut un copil si-o nevasta Acum o suta, o mie de ani