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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i just sent you a moar detailed piece on same

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the first day I felt compeltely relieved was ironically the day before I formally affiliated with a hospital here

BingoBoingo: mod6: Got crackling in the lungs or just a very wet nose?

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1817962 << Perk of having Cambios on every corner in a cash heavy economy. ☝︎

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1817939 << I don't think being too technical is necessarily a bad thing, but my own issue with ben_vulpes' original was that a) too 'cheesy' b) too much 'digging' to unearth the selling points. Conversely, I like how ave1's version is straight and to the point (e.g. bullet points of "why Pizarro" are front and center). Good skeleton imo ☝︎

mod6: ooh, i see the problem, I clicked the link from his posting above, which my browser added the '.' on the end of the .html - this resulted in a 404.

mircea_popescu: you'd almost suspect, "whoa, now that's a thinking chick, best landing page ever, bet you she sells all the pot she's trying to". except, of course, no such subtility or sophistication is ever to be suspected online. she's genuinely just https://preview.ibb.co/e6azd8/hurr.jpg -ing about.

mircea_popescu: http://ave1.org/planding.html << this is altogether not terrible. if it's not much of a landing page, at least it's clean and legible. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i didn't include a description of how lb works.

mircea_popescu: nah, you lose nothing, there's a green button "release bitcoin" you don't click.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:28 mircea_popescu: you can expect actual payments in your hand in 1 to 2 cases out of ten tries (defining a "try" as having initiated a tx on localbitcoins -- which btw jumps randomly for unclear reasons), worth about 90% of the lulsite price.

mircea_popescu: well yes, but it's a numbers game. what's one buy you.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:27 mircea_popescu: western union expects you to know a magic number ("mtcn", 10 digits) the sender is issued upon sending, and present id. the sender only needs your name and city where you pick up payment. western union will ask you a bunch of inane questions (where you live, who the sender is, how do you know them, what's the money for, etcetera) for which they require no documentation.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1817944 << BingoBoingo does have a reliable wu ~emittter~ : we've used it for his meat refuel, since day1 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i would say it is an absolute requirement for pizarro to maintain a localbitcoins account and sink in the required time to build itself a network of known-good users, as these in fact appear to exist, and may constitute humanity candidates / come in useful laterally.

mircea_popescu: ted enough to issue a fake "mtcn" (number-password western union expects you to know), try to get you to release payment, and then pretend like they "cancelled" for whatever imaginary reasons when you come to complain western union didn't have it -- a splendid way to waste an hour or so in city traffic.

mircea_popescu: a minority are sophistica

mircea_popescu: you can further expect a strong showing of scammers. these will be variations of "here's something, release payment". in about half the cases these are advanced enough to output some kind of official-looking falsified screenshot / whatever bizarro standards of visual certification of truth they use in their world (no, douchebag didn't come up with the screencapping on his own, it's a thing in his age-peer group, the "proof").

mircea_popescu: you can expect actual payments in your hand in 1 to 2 cases out of ten tries (defining a "try" as having initiated a tx on localbitcoins -- which btw jumps randomly for unclear reasons), worth about 90% of the lulsite price. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (i ran 0.1 tests, so about 700 bucks. how a 10`000 sq foot of floor space electronics-and-white-goods specialist can not have made 700 bucks worth of sales by mid day is anyone's fucking guess. here is mine : nobody but me has any money.)

mircea_popescu: the first time you use a piece of id for id they'll also want a photocopy of it, and plenty of "wu locations" are in fact a counter in a pivapollo place somewhere, without a copier (they see no problem with this). about one in ten "wu locations" have not the cash on hand to make payment, and they see no problem with this, either.

mircea_popescu: western union expects you to know a magic number ("mtcn", 10 digits) the sender is issued upon sending, and present id. the sender only needs your name and city where you pick up payment. western union will ask you a bunch of inane questions (where you live, who the sender is, how do you know them, what's the money for, etcetera) for which they require no documentation. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817537 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817792 : there are a few dozen accounts advertising western union payments on localbitcoins. the majority of these are neets in orclands trying to live off shaving website-enacted realities (as an alternative to living off freelancer.com / uber.com / etcetera -- it's evidently a lifestyle, the french fries / grocery bagging of 2018). ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 07:15 ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo (and mod6 and asciilifeform, mircea_popescu if he's inclined) here's a draft of the copy for the shared hosting landing page: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PcA2p/?raw=true

mod6: i love this pic: a jar of pickled peppers? high heels, an empty plastic bag, and a map. Everything one needs!

a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 00:29 phf: hat time it was concluded that the effort of mac upkeep is not there, and i believe that's also when mp/diana decided to go with a custom protocol for a future non-crystal space implementation

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817898 << guess. meanwhile some other coinbase prints a "bitcoin domination" % (spoiler : it's very low, bitcoin dun matter bla bla bla), and then WHENEVER bitcoin moves the ENTIRE list of "blockchains" and "cryptocurrencies" movesd in sync. anyone with half a fucking clue would observe that if the movement is 100% coupled then yes tyvm, bitcoin domination = 100%. but then again, democratic ☝︎

phf: crystal space has some complicated, xml based module system, and planeshift, i believe, approached that module system not necessarily from first principles either. i couldn't really devote enough time (and i spent couple of weeks on the whole thing the first time as it is) to figuring out how the whole thing is supposed to come together. it's definitely possible to run it on mac, but the effort literally costs more than buying a dedicated linux box

phf: hat time it was concluded that the effort of mac upkeep is not there, and i believe that's also when mp/diana decided to go with a custom protocol for a future non-crystal space implementation ☟︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817823 << the taps you're using are for previous release of eulora (which already had some odd issues on mac, but worked). i took a stab at updating them when the latest release came out, and enough targets moved that it was again non-trivial to build the stack. i've managed to hand build it/jerry rig homebrew to build it, but the result out of the box was working even worse (mostly i lost textures entirely). around t ☝︎

ben_vulpes: nevertheless, "once upon a time we made cars in flint, and the water was unsafe to drink in mexico. these days, they make the cars in mexico and flint's water is poison."

ben_vulpes: purged it manually, after throwing the "no seriously i am a grownup" switch?

douchebag: I've been running MacOS for about two years, prior I used Linux for 6 years. I love my Macbook, I find that I can multitask a lot better, the window manager is great

ben_vulpes: this is not a very secure perspective, mon frere.

douchebag: LordMPofTMSR: I know, I just haven't seen evidence proving MacOS is comprimised other than the fact that it's a large company

asciilifeform: Mocky: quite a few folx, not only asciilifeform .

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 22:17 douchebag: Well, although many people will disagree with this statement. I'm a pretty boring person, and I'm not too concerned about if the NSA is watching me - if the NSA wants to watch me they will do it regardless.

LordMPofTMSR: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817840 << this is not so different from saying "i have plenty of blood, and if the lice wants to get it they'll get it regardless." hygiene is not directly a consideration of denying the alimentary cycle of parasytes ; it's rather a question of self-respect, and in the 2nd line a question of socialization, because no matter how cool you might be "otherwise", at least some chicks won't fuck you with lice no matter ☝︎

Mocky: my log reading suggests that asciilifeform has a massive workbench with projects in progress: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-09#1401016 ☝︎

LordMPofTMSR: a that may be it then

asciilifeform: it eats disk, and they started selling a series of boxes with ludicrously small ssd, in 2010s, and decided that it can vanish

LordMPofTMSR: god knows x has had cancer for a decade.

LordMPofTMSR: asciilifeform, in nomine diaboli avocando, maybe x finally became too large a pile of hair, exceeded their capacity to translate hair to wet noodles.

asciilifeform: at one time , 2001-2014(?) it was ~usable as a xterm -- until they stopped shipping x !

LordMPofTMSR: imperial boons : a wife is a female that agrees with you for as long as you're not saying anything and a mac is a computer that works for as long as you're not trying to run anything.

asciilifeform: LordMPofTMSR: getting any nontrivial proggy to build on crapple, is a herculean labour , and typically not imho worth it

asciilifeform: found it by accident when asked q of 'when's the last time they caught a sw pirate' ( answ: apparently not since 1st bush term )

ben_vulpes: the debian rng bug is a good example of hosed RNGs, that's a fine place to start

ben_vulpes: gnupg does, so for the third time why are you using a vm, what do you imagine it gets you

douchebag: Even though most Linux applications work just fine with MacOS, a lot of them don't.

douchebag: Well, although many people will disagree with this statement. I'm a pretty boring person, and I'm not too concerned about if the NSA is watching me - if the NSA wants to watch me they will do it regardless. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: what does using a vm on a compromised computer getcha?

ben_vulpes: douchebag: a vm on the macbook?

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's a rubby trojan horse masquerading as a package manager that posts ~/.gnupg to www.google-analytics.com

ben_vulpes: brew edit $formula might help, but i ditched the mac nigh for reasons of pervasive upgradism like this a year ago, haven't looked back, can't suggest that you spend much time doing battle with republican softs on the crapple.

ben_vulpes: on a less glib line, homebrew changed the calling syntax on the tap. you should read the error message for the correction instruction.

douchebag: It's a MacOS package manager

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 16:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 << did you mean "poach" as in what a poacher (hunter on other's lands) does ?

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817710 << yes, i seem to make these kind of homonym errors a lot actually, and i reread the sentence every time, but don't see it until the issue is pointed out. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2015-11-18 14:54 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost'

asciilifeform: ^ funnily enuff, his junkyard magnetron, is a... 'Decatur MV715 RangeMaster'.

asciilifeform: ( see e.g. nsa 'ant-2' catalogue, for a dozen examples )

ben_vulpes: wouldn't put it past either the usg or cn engineering departments to fail at recreating the su rf-illuminated snooper but to screw up the power by a few orders of magnitude

mircea_popescu: usg controls A POSSIBLE ROOT.

mircea_popescu: if and only if everyone's in chains, then and then only can you be entirely sure nobody's linked two z80 chips together and cycling "alf is a pooperhead" back and forth between them. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: the problem defined as "alf does not want there to exist such a thing as a website printing random numbers" can not be solved in general. it can be rendered mute, but only by nuking the web, and the sort of item that produced it, which is to say neets.

mircea_popescu: and it's way the fuck more expensive and involved to neuter all mosquitoes than it is for a mosquito to lay eggs.

mircea_popescu: well ? i mean what, you want to control the future now, as a SIDE POINT ?

asciilifeform: if tomorrow usg decides 'btc will crash to 5k' and moves the arrow on goxes to 5k/per , everybody goes 'it's 5k', even folx who swear they never look at a gox. imho this is a bug. and no i do not have a proposed pill. is all.

asciilifeform: there's a substitute that doesn't use gox temperatures for anything ?!

asciilifeform: imho this is a bug.

asciilifeform: recall, whole subthread started as, roughly, as asciilifeform:'why is there a gox in our process loop'

asciilifeform: 'this tank , it is inflatable, why to waste a bomb on it;

asciilifeform: ( 'nobody can be arsed' is imho a valid hypothesis, and i've nuffin to offer against it )

mircea_popescu: however, they also lack the very military modesty of soviet russia, being instead old spinster maids. so they make a ... "here's a not really value we were only kidding k ?"

asciilifeform: but is there a flaw in asciilifeform's logic ? if the goxes are really as shallowly supplied with btc as previously suggested, it ought to take a quite modest bag of usd, to do them in. and yet nobody's done ?

mircea_popescu: but yes, your intuition is broadly correct : usg lacks both the actual size and the self-perceived size of soviet russia. as a result, they don't come out with a "x per rouble" statement.

asciilifeform: seems to me that anyone with a bag of usd, could thermonuke the gox price-dampener scam.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking moar re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817438 thread. it is almost certainly the case that the usg gox ensemble would try to prevent a hypothetical usg-long mircea_popescu from buying up all of the coin and sending price to maxint. but what could they do to prevent 9000 types of insect who show up to buy 9k coin to take to 'we give 50k/per' dispenser. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 15:04 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 << did you mean "poach" as in what a poacher (hunter on other's lands) does ? ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( handling cash in orcistan where cash van robbery is national sport, is , i'd expect, not inexpensive ) << Seems more like a tourist activity done by Chileños here

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: is there a reason not to go straight to city hall or wherever the magic actually happens ? << The paperwork prices for the gov's part is published online in a 3rd local currency, the "Index Unit" which needs to be converted to pesos.

ave1: spyked, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817663, no problem in fact the opposite. This helps in getting the cowwebs out of the build process (I've also tested on machines with gcc 7). The build process is picking up the glibc linux headers at a point where only musl headers should be used. This is usually caused by a system library being picked up in the build process. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817526 << I am wary of brining payments to the datacenter that they might lose, and during the earliest meetings they wrinkled their noses when I offered the possiility of showing up with envelopes of cash while waiting for a local bank account. I suspect they have a cultural hangup against eating anything other than wires due to their self images. ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is there a reason not to go straight to city hall or wherever the magic actually happens ?

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 04:43 ben_vulpes: needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front?

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in a galaxy far away, 'where did bernstein go?' 'to write crappy stego apps' >> http://elligator.cr.yp.to ( https://archive.li/KwRAu )

phf: (i think a proper lisp interface ought to separate pathname defaults from the name pattern, so you call it like (m-t-d "fooXXX" #p"/tmp/") but return #p"/tmp/fooabc/". that's not a consequential concern for anyone except for me though)

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols ☝︎☟︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: Ah, a megalog night

spyked: I'll also give it a shot on a machine with native gcc 4.9 (trying to do this in the weekend), to see if there's something wrong the system headers on the other one (so far this is the only guess I have re the failure)

spyked: hey, ave1! I gave http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ a run and I'm sad to report that it failed. attached a screenlog of the run at http://lmogo.xyz/randomio/gnat-musl-screenlog.0 (notice: file is ~5MB in size). unfortunately my hands are full now, so I've no time to dig further, but I'll provide any further info if you need.

Mocky: yeah, it is a page not a post so not in post list

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 04:26 esthlos: trinque: I'm a geometer, always searching for higher symmetries, unifying disjoint worldviews

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817453 << it's not so hard to end up the only repository of truth in a consensus-seeking group. the only thing consensus-seeking does predictably and well is error. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 16:11 trinque: "(b) la infracción a los derechos de propiedad intelectual e industrial" << so no seedboxen eh?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816563 << on a fucking shared server ? gimme a break. personal fucking blogs, maybe some "baby's first steps with php". wtf else ? ☝︎