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trinque: (none ought be in the bootstrapper either, as I think they're all masked, though not by any hard protocol)

a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 18:02 phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming

BingoBoingo: Sure, incredibly common. I suspect the whole reason "crowdfunding" gets pumped is to encourage that sort of idiocy

mircea_popescu: no, i mean sponsorship. remember when i sponsored the what was it, 8chan maybe ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo understand, i don't even necessarily mean "sell webhosting". don't open a conversation by a pitch in any case anyway.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw, here's an idea : suppose someone from pizarro were to contact ~all the "sexuality cultural war" websites out there, "feminists" "mra" whatever, and proposed pizarro sponsorship ? << I'd actually been warming up some old accounts on these forums to do exactly this sort of thing.

asciilifeform: i dun recall seeing md5 lulz but wouldn't rule it out

asciilifeform: trinque: is your item packaged roughly similarly to my rockchip thing ? (i.e. a tarball that i can unpack onto an empty ext4 , and jump into ) ? ☟︎

phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming ☟︎

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'd like to fill mircea_popescu's order asap.

mircea_popescu: look, the bootloader thing is either musl or isn't. if it isn't, i expect trinque wants to hear about it ; whether he wants to or not i still want it said.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was referencing the 'let's stand up clone of dulap' variant, strictly.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque's script is basically proto-cuntoo as far as I understand it; and it will result in a mulstronic system so why are we talking of a glibc box?

a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 12:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa

a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:43 diana_coman: so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope, i haven't touched it since receiving http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828294 signal ☝︎

asciilifeform: as i understand, diana_coman's system calls for the troo 'single gcc' toolchain, i.e. ave1's

mircea_popescu: at least as best i can discern.

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:30 mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ?

a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:43 diana_coman: so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i , possibly mistakenly, wait()'d on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828294 signal. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i dunno why ; cuz i said the idea is to ~test a musl process~ ; without hosing the machine currently running it.

ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that you wanted to wait for a machine that you could cut eulora server over to in toto

mircea_popescu: trinque ok so then why wouldn't i use it ? would you rather not have it tested or i don't get it ? idea here was to put the item into work see what comes out.

mircea_popescu: so if i use it, the resulting system will in fact permit my testing of a whole set of musl-compiled deps, system wide, such as mysql and whatever other libs eulora pulls.

trinque: I am not persuading the bootstrap script be used

asciilifeform: iirc i explained this in an earlier thread, but it is not possible to test selectively-musltronic e.g. mysql installed ~systemwide~ on a conventional glibc box

mircea_popescu: because if i do and something breaks, i have no way to extract value out of the foregoing effort. what will i do, trilema article about "here should be some words nobody knows how they'd go" ?

trinque: I was saying the script (which is now a bootstrapper) can be used to produce a usable system (which is not cuntoo, but gentoo), and I think it's reasonable not to want to use that.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, he doesn't want to have to support that and i don't want to use unsupported release.

a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand, it would not be a wasted effort , given as if a musl-incompatibility is revealed , diana_coman can go straight to patching it, working in parallel with trinque's finishing touches on cuntoo

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831841 << I do not yet ☝︎

diana_coman: I do appreciate both your offer and your other work

asciilifeform: i will help but strictly if mircea_popescu specifically asks, given as he had asciilifeform swear not to meddle in euloristic matters.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: if this were my system, i'd build'em rotor-style ( using existing rotor script, add e.g. mysql to the deps set )

asciilifeform: this is actually testable on diana_coman's existing box, all it requires is to set up ( as i understand, diana_coman already has ) ave1's gcc toolchain , in user homedir

asciilifeform: ( the gpg-derived coad -- will. but as for the rest, i do not know )

mircea_popescu: not the end of the world i guess.

trinque: this is correct; I've been fighting a war against upstream and reposessing items since the original build script. this process is close but not done.

asciilifeform: trinque: i thought you've successfully seceded from upstream gentoo (i.e. baked own ports tree mirror etc )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand there are exactly two variants : 1) waitloop on trinque to declare his item as ready for battlefield test 2) asciilifeform bakes an exact clone of existing s.mg gentoo ( really, dulap-iii's gentoo )

mircea_popescu: i thought you had published something recently, like a week or so.

mircea_popescu: trinque so wait, how do i follow your cuntoo in production ? or shouldn't ?

trinque: mircea_popescu: I published a build script that upstream subsequently trashed, abandoned gcc versions, and all the rest.

mircea_popescu: am i confused ?!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought he had published the thing

diana_coman: aha; (though I must say: next time anyone says kids learn languages "easily" I'll punch them on the spot)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if no answer from ben_vulpes in day or 2, i'ma have to ctrl-C that loop and take over reactor controls, and ask mod6 to make good on his offer to sell his spare ssd's, currently kept in the bilge, to pizarro, and then give the signal to BingoBoingo to install it in diana_coman's auxiliary box.

mircea_popescu: not bad! i wouldn't care whether he consciously understands what he's doing. that's not really how the brain works, at that age. he learned to speak without understanding what the fuck he was doing also.

mircea_popescu: now what do i do, do i wait ? how do i know i'm not waiting for an infinite loop ?

diana_coman: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu fwiw kid also got a basic set of electronic components and a board to stick them onto + booklet with ~100 basic circuits and he's been having a blast with it although I'd say he still has a way to go to fully grasp what he's doing

mircea_popescu: i have no problem with http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ ; aftert all i came up with it. but i have a problem with halfway measures towards it.

asciilifeform: ( picture a 'alt-history' where it came to be that 2/3 of population owned a particle accelerator (let's say, for sterilization of even moar outlandishly-gangrenous usa.beef than presently sold . ) picture the pestilential 'omfg i am eating what! isotope?!' complaints

mircea_popescu: you know that about 1/3 of responsens my bot gets come as "what ?" which generally gets ignored, and generally forms during the day in the more literate complaint of "i can't read the subject line", often with culprit-identification bolted on the side : "~IT~ cuts it off". what the fuyck is this "it" ?

trinque: the sad creatures aren't being given anything to do, which would prompt the "ah shit, I don't even own a proper pair of underwear^W^W^Wcomputer"

mircea_popescu: not found anymore, though i suppose "buy computer parts make desktop" cvasi-acceptable substitute.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "make own" is always a good idea ; i train new slavegirls in cooking even though i got more star-able cooks here than any restaurant ever afforded.

asciilifeform: i saw a pretty great showing of it once, complete with pipe organist accompaniment

asciilifeform: dragonfly can run on 2 joules / day, for all i know 700btc can run 700yrs of kako

asciilifeform: i've nfi, but the 700+ coinz prolly helped neh

mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 09:51 spyked: anyways, I am working on putting the ssh keys in the proper format and preparing the full report, there's some extra lulz to be extracted from this experience.

asciilifeform: lol i actually somehow missed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831514 . hey spyked , lemme know when these are ready to eat, they will go in same day. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "These days I work as a change activist, mounting summits for world leaders and serving as an adviser to startups and entrepreneurs looking to better the planet. "

mircea_popescu: choice bits, "Last year, I ended a two-year relationship with a man who ultimately couldn’t commit and wanted to be polyamorous." ie "i was somewhere mid-dial on the phone of some dude with some money, who eventually had enough of my airs and stopped returning calls".

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831653 << sorta why they threw errything they could at it. 'i have no cow but at least can burn the neighbour's barn' ☝︎

brazilish: how can i switch a pgp key keeping the history? everyone that sent a rating need to send it again to the new pgp key?

mircea_popescu: "i didn't mean it literally!" "oh..."

brazilish: btw, I want to ask if there is some reference here about how correctly doing safe computing, because i feel that if I create a pgp private key on my current setup, USG would already have it pre-seeded

brazilish: may I stay or should i be insta kicked?

diana_coman: trinque, yes! aha, so all I need to do is do the !!pay-invoice lobbes 3 and that's it; correct?

trinque: I suppose by now we'd better move to !!settle-invoice before the command proximity maims a friend

wyrdmantis: Someone contacted me and asked if I know someone willing to sell bitcoin in large quantity at 10% discount, via wire transfer. Anybody here knows such a person, or any idea about where to find her?

wyrdmantis: Hello, I have a question for ya

BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell anti-sex work activism here is for the loser boys and girls during those two years between discovered they are wanted for sex and discovering they enjoy the sex too

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume the retarded dignity of las trabajadoras or some shit

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, i don't get it, why the fuck would some bar apologize for pick-a-whore offering a free trick ?!

mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, possibly no-number not implemented yet! am i being helpful yet ?

mod6: Lords and Laides of The Most Serene Republic: I'd like to announce that in addition to looking for a new manager for Pizarro, we are also looking someone to fill the role of Treasurer. Please let us know if interested in either role. Thanks!

mod6: ave1: ah, I never hit an edge-case like that. i'll put that down for fix whenever the next release might be. thanks for letting me know.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 08:37 diana_coman: uhm, weird stuff: sent the !!v on that !!pay to deedbot but no answer; and otherwise it does answer to further !!ledger (not showing the payment) -> did I mess something up there, trinque ?

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831631 -> I messed it up because pay instead of pay-invoice so it didn't go through, fine; but now it seems still stuck ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 23:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831586 << i don't recall, is prostitution legal there too ?

diana_coman: I thought it was either with number or without number, ugh

diana_coman: or what, now I can't pay using old method?

diana_coman: uhm, weird stuff: sent the !!v on that !!pay to deedbot but no answer; and otherwise it does answer to further !!ledger (not showing the payment) -> did I mess something up there, trinque ? ☟︎

lobbes: fwiw trinque I'm finding this !!ledger functionality to be a real sanity-saver. ty for implementing

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831528 << the latter worx. I'll keep a running credit for you and apply to future balances. But if at any point you want to cash in the credit for ecu (or BTC) I will. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831586 << i don't recall, is prostitution legal there too ? ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: i believe. yet...

BingoBoingo: In other news, lines at the gas station like I haven't seen since 9-11

trinque: for all anyone knows I'll be sitting behind the front door with a shotgun for 7 days

mod6: i about spit out my mineral water when I saw the wired/openbsd link

mircea_popescu: but this aside, the "i will bless" africana is also present, and has been, for a long time. eg http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/#selection-27.0-27.105

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am at a loss for prediction, aside from above

asciilifeform: 'hi, i'm mircea_popescu , send me 1btc and i will bless you with magical mircea_popescuinity powerz' ?

trinque: mircea_popescu: the invoice number thing is baked a little more deeply than what I just changed. what do you think of "!!pay-invoice lobbes" with no integer to mean "first received and outstanding" ?