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a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 17:35 phf: i think someone else here had a lisp implementation, but that one lacked comments entirely
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820598 <-- indeed it does, and precisely because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820603 . I don't know how to design a proper comment mechanism, not necessarily because of spam (I believe mp-wp antispam works), but because I'm not convinced that everyone coming on the blog should be able to leave comments, and if they do, then what format (text-only?) etc. ☝︎☝︎
spyked: step 5 will probably need to be broken into multiple sub-steps, since I will have to also publish a rss parser first, then a rss bot design document, and only then the code.
ben_vulpes: i must have missed it, may i have a pointer?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, was a whole thread, saw it ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 19:36 asciilifeform: a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo
mircea_popescu: whole fucking pile also incidentally providing a vehicle for that moron dancer girl what's her name, to pretend like a name can possibly be wasted on her dumb ass. "condition of women" holy shit, she's a poor immigrant dancer already.
mircea_popescu: in other items of little interest, holy shit ben affleck is a repugnant, fucktarded enemy of human civilisation.
mircea_popescu: ok but this was a specific 2017 event
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks. << http://qntra.net/2016/02/nth-french-republic-officially-dumps-freedom/ And http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/
mircea_popescu: Some of the emergency measures, notably beefed up police powers, are to be made permanent under a bill that has been approved by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly.
mircea_popescu: "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of ave1 from 2 to 3 << made the very useful scripts to compile gnat for various architectures as well as other useful ada & ada+c bits; does a lot and talks a little, always on point though; writes at ave1.org
asciilifeform: a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 'web dev' nonsense where 'same code written every 6mo' is symptom of a poorly-defined problem to begin with; sorta like wound sutures that reopen
asciilifeform: again in some subfields there is a famine of solid code, in others -- not ( the payware c compiler people, microshit aside, mostly have starved, afaik )
asciilifeform: some activities have this problem, others not ( restauranteurs do not have to contend with a 'i dun need to eat, i already ate in 2011' )
mircea_popescu: man... this is like proposing fucking a slavegirl well is a bad idea, what'll she need you for if you do.
asciilifeform: ( tho, -- iirc it was orlol -- had a pertinent piece, on the unremovable disincentive for market players against selling durable, quality items that never need replacement or 'upgrade' etc )
mircea_popescu: the same idiots always enhance cunt the same god damned way, a good dose of the clap.
asciilifeform: this -- is true. scripting lang, however, has a place in life outside of wwwism -- for throwaway experiments, e.g. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html , and similar
phf: i think someone else here had a lisp implementation, but that one lacked comments entirely ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and we don't even have a formally declared tmsr-html spec.
mircea_popescu: and here we're looking at a html pre-processor scripting lang
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a proper scripting lang in general, though. that's why it even is ~a~ scripting lang, because it's by the task
asciilifeform: iirc we had a thread, where asciilifeform outlined a proper scripting lang.
mircea_popescu: phf, oh really ? i thought you had a lisp competitor.
mircea_popescu: the other problem still remains : if it is not republican doctrine to have a scriptable webatron with a separable but not separate dbsystem, then ~what is it~.
asciilifeform: this is not a susprise, i think.
asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in theory this is a theory, but in practice his comments are still weird looking.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's also the 2nd order effect, whereby by interacting with heretics you find out stuff like "hey, i have a memory leak"
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i'm not suggesting there's folly here, i'm a) thinking of how to better slice the beast and b) pointing out that it's not even a container issue
asciilifeform: actually i suspect that this is one of those items that will be very short and sweet , when made from first principles under a future http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789682 system ☝︎
mircea_popescu: to be clear, i'm not for a second disputing that such piles of lines of "code" are a scandal and an outrage before god. but i wish to know what we're to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is quite what i'm saying, a web publishing platform we will want, and phf is in a prime posityion to appreciate the gargantuan task of "make it from prime principles", i think.
mircea_popescu: will you go as far as to say that writing a general purpose scriptable webatron (apache) and a "separate" (notrly) db system (mysql) is the wrong solution, and one should just write his blog software in c directly ?
mircea_popescu: see, it rests in between "here's a blob of strange, 100mb long" and "here's a sane genesis"
mircea_popescu: well technically a 9mb genesis.
phf: i can obviously fix btcbase to be more useful (i.e. continue to aid the patch exploration) in cases where a patch is big, but in general a 9mb patch seems to go against the whole fits in head
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820367 << there isn't one, there is a peculiar bug that seems to only manifest in my lispworks dev environment. things actually work on production, though the patch page is 20mb ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 05:12 mircea_popescu: lobbes : curl --cookie "__cfduid=dd16c67421dbb9d1705d6bf28b3fa898c1525574538" -A "TMSR fucks cloudflare" http://archive.today/download/AvNme.zip > AvNme.zip
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812127 << btw, this has been working like a charm for the download part of the archive process. I was able to do away with the phantomjs-crapolade completely. ☝︎
lobbes: ^^ reads, but there is a ~1 min lag from when line is spit out until it hits lobbesbot's db (logs and bot are on separate boxen, and the logs feed the bot).
mircea_popescu: i'm with you, it'll be a great thing once done.
asciilifeform: it's a pretty spiffy, ironwise, comp. costs less than a third of what ipnoje costs, even.
mircea_popescu: and i have this friend who's been working on making a portable computer
asciilifeform: ( building it, is a whole new mountain of shit to climb )
mircea_popescu: a. nice then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d grudgingly revealed a few hidden boobytraps, that each would take coupla wks at least, otherwise, to defuse.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: of course it has all of them, most of the balance predates the fork. << ah, ok. well whatever makes the most sense. if we can make some BTC out of it, great, if it's a huge pain, meh.
asciilifeform: (mine is a 2GHz, even)
asciilifeform: upstack -- rk3328-roc-cc , in case anyone forgot, is a 4core beast; c101pa is a rk3399 with 6 core. oughta be snappier for builds.
asciilifeform: ( for bonus slowness, this one's running off a sd card.. )
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of ave1 from 3 to 3 << baked a working retargetable, musltronic gnat ; see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820427
a111: Logged on 2018-06-03 18:36 asciilifeform: ch10 ffa builds a (stripped) 320kB elf
asciilifeform: !!rate ave1 3 baked a working retargetable, musltronic gnat ; see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820427 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( mine's in pieces, presently, i am soldering a firmware refill umbilical to it )
asciilifeform: ... this also means that c101pa ( as soon as i have a ready to roll firmware for it ) will be an out-of-the-box gnat dev station.
asciilifeform: ch10 ffa builds a (stripped) 320kB elf ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ... a rk3328-roc-cc is now ready, now loading the tarball to it, about to come to the magic moment
asciilifeform: ave1: i am setting up a rockchip board to test your gnat !
mircea_popescu: whatever. the last time anyone read a book it was 1982.
asciilifeform: 'This book is the result of a learning process over many years, during which, I have been fortunate to learn from some very bright minds. In particular, I thank Tuur Demeester, Ryan Dickherber, Pete Dushenski, Michel Fahed, Akin Fernandez, Viktor Geller, Michael Goldstein, Konrad Graf, Pontus Lindblom, Mircea Popescu, Pierre Rochard, Nick Szabo, Kyle Torpey, and Curtis Yarvin for writings and discussions that were instrumental in dev
BingoBoingo: <jurov> but all others I know of are worth less then bitcoin gold and traded at few obscure places, I also need blockchain explorer with inputbox where I can broadcast the tx << This looks like a reasonable bar a forkcoin has to cross to be dumpable.
spyked: also, trinque, specifically re. ircbot, given that we'll have ircbot, logbot, rssbot, trilemabot etc. under the same umbrella, would it make sense to have them under a top-level dir., e.g. b/botworks/ircbot, b/botworks/logbot and so on? or should each live in a separate dir., as they do now?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820283 <-- reading this thread, it just occured to me: is there a convention re. directory structure? the implicit one (in my own head at least) was that each project lives under its own top-level directory (e.g. b/ircbot, b/ffa, b/eucrypt, where b is the press tree). so then does the manifest reside in b/project_name_toplevel_dir/manifest? ☝︎
mod6: i'll have to give that a try, thanks for the suggestion
mod6: yeah, should have taken a pic
mod6: i like the stuff quite a bit. much better than others
mod6: mircea_popescu: they broke. was a pile of green glass in the street.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-02 20:02 mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820273 << hanbot's mp-wp genesis is 5.8 mb, i haven't yet figured out yet how to make btcbase not fall under the size. at the very least i need to add a caching layer, so that i'm not regenerating 5.8*n for the generated html every time ☝︎
mod6: lobbes: did you see the ones linked before where they cut them out of the shell? looks like a legit cock & balls.
mod6: for sure. i've got a whole assortment now.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty. I don't see a danger of that. Just when the disupte leads to confusion and a beachdick eating thread... The description of the behavior helps.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, do you mean adding a manifest to eucrypt or what exactly?
cruciform: asciilifeform, it's nevertheless a helpful resource: lists all the exchanges, prices of each coin etc.
lobbes: aaanyway, perhaps too soon to worry, but just know I'm a reasonable man, and can be reasoned with
lobbes: So no, I would not say that the case is that my skin is "insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility", it is rather "leave me the fuck alone or I'll knock you over the head". That being said, if BingoBoingo is threatening to knock me over the head, then plox tell me before you do so we can work something out in this forum. Unlike my considerations for the old woman, I consider BingoBoingo a Better Man Than I.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 00:13 BingoBoingo: The point where L2 Republicans with productive history get blocked from purchasing Pizarro services over a Lordly negrating, and where efforts at resolution suggest the only problem is skin insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility... is the sort of situation where I would consider deploying my own power to negrate.
esthlos: it reads like a suspense novel..."oh shit, will btc survive????"
mod6: lol. should just take a pic with "BCH" on the bag, and "BTC" on the gloves.
mircea_popescu: a well posed question is worth two slavegirls and a barrel of prime rum.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: yep, that's something I'm working on: not making assumptions. think it's a product of solipsism
trinque: whole process of talking with esthlos on the vtron project has been a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: alright, plox trinque write a v manifest specification, so it can be linked to for the future.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:26 mircea_popescu: trinque, what's your stance here, do you particularly want to implement a grapher / manifest / generally fix a v ? not really ?
mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i want a link point for "hey, i gotta include manifest ?!" queries which will keep flowing ; no doubt.
mircea_popescu: listen, this is a terrible "specification by code" example.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
esthlos: hey guys, should I have included a manifest file in my genesis? see http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/comment-page-1/#comment-17
asciilifeform: ( and it's a first class bitch to probe, they're 0.5mm pitch )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820081 << it was a light comment ; i'm not proposing you use antibiotics without a good reason. however, there ~might~ be a good reason, such as otherwise asymptomatic uti etc. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing he goes to a radio dark zone and trades raw sea turtle faff for fresh beans?
asciilifeform: unfortunately i cannot currently test the aarch64 one, my c101pa is across a table top in pieces just now
cazalla: anyway, before the kids start grabbing at cables and i end up join/part spamming i'll head off.. have not forgotten this place, just everything takes a backseat with these monsters about
cazalla: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820058 << still on the periphery reading logs, but difficult to maintain a presence here with 3 kids ☝︎