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asciilifeform: i am, incidentally, readying the 8ball.
asciilifeform: ~0 real traffic.
asciilifeform: handily going with this observation is that phuctor is more or less 100% successfully blacked out on the net
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this, which is why them ignoring #trilema is a forced mistake.
mircea_popescu: or else you're in the business of trying to shape public discourse for hitler, in which case the above is unacceptable, and you've blown your cover.
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. very strict dilemma : either you're a derpy magazine looking to give some material to your readers, in which case the interview being published in fuill and first on the logs does not bother you in the slightest ;
asciilifeform: (they bought the outfit i was in at the time, hilarious story for another time) ☟︎
asciilifeform: (lulzily i was working for reuters at the time and had to keep from laughing/gagging)
mircea_popescu: and this is why i won't talk to any of them, unless in this manner.
asciilifeform: aha we had this, iirc, with the reuters chick
mircea_popescu: and if they're not willing to eat his cumbiscuit, it's clear why : they aspire to go political in the manner discussed above.
jurov: ;;later tell BingoBoingo pls to doublecheck the figures on qntra report, the figures are hysterically off
asciilifeform: it took precisely this scheme.
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, being to force them to conduct their interviews here. which means that our logs publish better material faster than they do. which means that we > them.
mircea_popescu: they work for who they work for, and that's that.
asciilifeform: entirely typical.
mircea_popescu: the reason you do not want to discuss anything with hitler, such as for instance in the shape of hitler's own propaganda magazine "interviewing" you is that they aren't interviewing you. what they are doing is trying for a "o noes scandal and wilhelm lost all his support" piece. if it works, they got it, if it doesn't work, "it never happened". ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, to bridge this discussion with the kaiser wilhelm "disappeared" daily telegraph interview discussed last week : ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, no fake logs appeared yet. and miner conspiracy no longer exists, also. and things.
asciilifeform: ah that.
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu is thinking of znort's having asked for them, aha
asciilifeform: and afaik nobody's trotted out any imagined logs yet
mircea_popescu: lulzy shit, anyway. complete with sig that used to be someone coming back from the dead, apparently not quite sure what its nick is.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, any bitbet logs are an ulterior fabrication, they never existed prior to march 2016.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda too lazy to deedbot a list of the various spots in logs where the fact that bitbet keeps no logs was discussed. seems about 99 and 3/4% that the whole point there was to create an entry point for later parallel construction, "o look what bitbet logs show". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: bitchez usually ended up in the humane schools.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo turns out it bbet is still on kako's box
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes amusingly enough, in ro the difference is made as "real" vs "humane" schools.\
ben_vulpes: yeah, once i browbeat my parents into moving me to a school with a decent physics and math program things picked up.
mircea_popescu: the idea was quite deliberately to make connection with liquid flow etc, the next year bernouli discussion contained EXACT SAME PROFILE
deedbot: [Qntra] Qntra Correspondent Infiltrates Trump-Clinton Luncheon - http://qntra.net/2016/05/qntra-correspondent-infiltrates-trump-clinton-luncheon/
mircea_popescu: had to confirm the given tables etc.
ben_vulpes: attitude towards math during my tenure at hippieschool was "oh, you finished the long division worksheet? oh uh let me go photocopy some more."
mircea_popescu: old style curricula actually included machined piece of various metals, large chunk with varying thicknesses, with movable screw connectors. with voltmeter and amperemeter, you could measure the material.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did you folks do the neon tube thing ?
ben_vulpes: with the math, right?
mircea_popescu: uh. no, actually, in my country physics = 6th grade, they spend a year doing such stuff.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nothing wrong with that neh ?
ben_vulpes: teacher lined us up, holding the rod, and applied a torch to one end.
mircea_popescu: "My mom did the beds. I did the bedwarming. A memoir."
ben_vulpes: do you know how we were taught about conduction?
ben_vulpes: dude my third grade was waldorf
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> look i didn't grow up on usenet it's nyoooooz to me << your third grade sucks compared to his third grade!!!
ben_vulpes: mhm well let me know when you find those other loglines
jurov: i do remember it being discussed too
ben_vulpes: look i didn't grow up on usenet it's nyoooooz to me
ben_vulpes: from the annals of perverse technology reuse: http://i.imgur.com/ctEveER.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementary re interdiction range, if you set up no-go zones you can herd the ship into a kill.
asciilifeform: but really does not relish the prospect of pocket neutron camera.
asciilifeform: usg luuuuvs to know at the borders if you're pissing neutrons (note what price of helium on the market did in past 20 yrs. us dhs bought up most of it, for tubes) ☟︎
asciilifeform: nyookz are routinely transported by ordinary road in usa
asciilifeform: incidentally you can pick up nukez from the air, easily enough
mircea_popescu: just in case anyone in argentina is both a) smart enough to know that #trilema logs are more important to his country than anything happening in spanish and b) interested in wtf would someone care about fauklands.)
mircea_popescu: (re interdiction zone : yes, subs fire icbms, so have range. but they're not orbitals, and interdiction zone can be practical things such as "a ring around either end of panama canal, down by terra del fuego and up by newfoundland, for instance)
ben_vulpes: already wrote three tests this morning. making coffee and wanking over scintillation for a spell.
mircea_popescu: hey i thought you were busy vulpes.
asciilifeform: quite the gift.
ben_vulpes: it's disturbing how hard this conversation is making
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to find you across the atlantic, just lock on you if you come within 100km
mircea_popescu: and could consist of a 100kg batyscaph with some fiber towed, a sort of intelligent depth charge
mircea_popescu: the mirror relation between "world peace" and "bitcoin" in its treatment in usg agitprop sources being, of course, striking.
mircea_popescu: thus, undermines [what's left of] "world peace", as the usg defines the term. this after the 2000s saw the underminiung of the other chunk, with china, russia and now iran making carriers useless.
mircea_popescu: but yes, for the slow, THIS is what they mean by "undermine peace". the us doctrine is that its ability to strike is roughly speaking equal to "world peace", and this makes any sort of us "projection" unfeasible.
asciilifeform: the kind with tube
mircea_popescu: no idea where that's at by now, and i suspect everyone involved would much rather not even look at the discussion.
mircea_popescu: as well as a programme to deploy pu decoys on ocean floor. tho a) russians map the shit and b) so wtf does it do for you anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if memory serves this became obvious during late 70s / 80s faroe islands gamewars with the russians, resulting in us subs doing all sorts of lulzy, dangerous, landhugging
mircea_popescu: turns out they're really VERY vulnerable, who knew.
mircea_popescu: could tow cable, detect all nuclear subs.
mircea_popescu: this would allow nuke sub detector to unerringly destroy all the subs. that's the last hope, now that carriers aren't worth their weight in bull viscera.
asciilifeform: aha, trivial to make 'neutron camera'
mircea_popescu: and they lost the missile war.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg is very worried about it, because think about it - unshieldable missile target.
asciilifeform: at any rate it blew me away that it exists not even in 'ebay', where you could at one point buy even radium
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - THIS is fundamental illustration of "republic may not exist if rules are homogenous". historical republics failed on the basis of people agreeing as to what's beauty in women.)
mircea_popescu: it'd be sad if we all liked the same ones neh ?
asciilifeform: the chick with the fiber, incidentally, was pretty, but mircea_popescu would prolly have said 'pankakeface'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, not that poor. unlike the rest of her misfortunate sisters, at least she has someone to say "you may not be a person until you learn fractions".
mircea_popescu: tall, pretty thing. small tits, but that's easily fixed.
mircea_popescu: and you'll have to desist with that, by the way. yesterday girl burst into tears in subte because i went "you don't understand fractions. pick up a third grade book, or at least it was third grade in romania, whatever highschool / college course it is in english, and study fractions."
mircea_popescu: i suspect nobody really went to YOUR third grade, alf.
asciilifeform: reader went to third grade, presumably, and knows...
mircea_popescu: and by "sun" i mean "earth" for all the difference this makes.
mircea_popescu: or in related news : guess oh dear reader why the sun is mostly nickel/iron by mass
asciilifeform: which that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guess where that comes from.
mircea_popescu: suns don't yield them, supernova, quasars and black holes only
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes neutrons are interesting for the reason explained in alf's link : they only exist as result of activity of a select set of materials/conditions
mircea_popescu: lol wankery is one tyhing, but afaik no such observatory exists ?
asciilifeform: where do you think i was playing with it
ben_vulpes: why the neutron requirement?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is tho
mircea_popescu: (my crude idea being that according to wavelength, the neutrons will be captured top to bottom)
mircea_popescu: you need 3141 * 10**6 * 10**3 meters worth of fiber, and you get the best damn measure of background neutron radiation ever made.
mircea_popescu: actually i'm surprised not more radioastronomy effort is put into this. imagine if you will : array of a few million km long fibers, arranged inside a cylinder, in layers by angstrom thichness from 1mn on the bottom to 1 A on the top, in a circular pattern at 0.001 rads apart each.
asciilifeform: but will need 2 of'em, since i no longer have access to mass spec
mircea_popescu: anyway. let's leave this in mod6's ticket tree somewhere offscreen for nao.
mircea_popescu: this sounds more like a job of "if i had the she-thieves" than $$$
asciilifeform: you cant hide the periodic table.
asciilifeform: if i had $$$, would try to score some existing scintillator and put it through ms and get their dopant.