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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski suppose you wanna fuck during those 5 hours!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: considering that the whole ministry hasn't been closed down and personnel - jailed as members of a criminal org - i'd say the pretense is maintained.
pete_dushenski: back when that team was even a thing
pete_dushenski: and does it even maintain the pretense ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but that begs the question : why is this loop-di-loop necessary to maintain the pretense ?
asciilifeform: mod6: who was that
asciilifeform: because you want to maintain the pretense of 'rule of law' ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but then why use superpower so inefficiently ? it's like 'i have x-ray vision, but only when i look at this angled mirror at you'
pete_dushenski: well that search was useless
deedbot: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents << NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret ... | http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2016-statement/ << No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by ... | http://www.wired.com/2013/06/phew-it-was-just-metadata-not-think-again/ << Phew, NSA Is Just Collecting Metadata. (You Should Still Worry ...
pete_dushenski: $google trilema meta-nsa
pete_dushenski: ie. 'rsa pill really exists, just you wait until they drop bomb'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:58 asciilifeform: be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopba
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480374 << seems like a lot of busywork to circumvent own rule, which i suppose only goes to show that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480384 is the controlling point. head would never do this to self, ergo no head. ☝︎☝︎
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480284 << hulked. (or was it thieled?) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.steadypower.com/products.php?product=Gillette-SPS%252d120-Home-Standby-Generator-%2812kW%29 << ftr, very reasonable 12kw units available. 4k what's that, half a weekend trip.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:40 ben_vulpes: davout: triggered
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:37 mircea_popescu: yeah but you want the bridge to be wide enough. 1kw is not practically useful - inductive charge for an average ac unit for instance easily beats 5kw
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: might have been in the older-than-btcbase logs.
shinohai: I remembered it being mentioned somewhere but have yet to find the ref
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480758 << amusingly, iirc that shoe is actually mentioned in this very log, and ~nowhere else on the "entire" www. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:33 davout: if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480720 << well, various webscum will derp about how "website doesn't look correct". will lose you all the business of $5 bucks, they fuck themselves manually. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:31 davout: the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one!
mircea_popescu: medicine works a lot like this, in principle but with smaller parameters. law works precisely the same way.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:15 asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:14 davout: your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania?
asciilifeform called upon a full-time master of subj, on retainer, who was unable to usefully comment.
asciilifeform was unable - in spite of considerable effort - to run 'hello world' example in 'rails'.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: a "brilliant fucking idea" for everyone except everyone that matters. hence democracy.
mircea_popescu: and this is systematically the problem of the fucking state. by inventing "god's marriage" it fucks up the natural social hierarchy ; where some get all and most get none. and by inventing "bureaucracy" idem. keep reducing "inequality" which is to say - those who deserve to starve and those who deserve to puke - all get the same three peas ; those who deserve to bathe and those who deserve to burn - all in the lukewarm pit.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this being that it ambiguously mixes two categories. one from outside can't distinguish between the pigs that drove the ship into mud and the poor souls trying to push it back out. they're all ~ equally covered in the same shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:07 asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no, this is the problem. a bunch of idiots would have to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed to do something less idiotic with his time. that's the problem whenever derps get the reins - they drive the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out. ☝︎☟︎
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/RdU
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:05 asciilifeform: my realization is that this kind of thing is EXACTLY same as fiatolade
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 20:46 ben_vulpes: i went to upgrade a docker installation and they pulled this gorgeous trick where they actually deny access to repos based on docker client version
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480652 << ahaha ok this is pretty lulzy. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 20:43 davout: more like "oh, ruby 1.9 doesn't support this new 2.0 syntax, let's just sed it into sanity"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480640 << so basically this is shannonizing programmer. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell Arathnim https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:09 shinohai: paging BingoBoingo ... he has to write this one.
Arathnim: trinque: Thanks.
trinque: Arathnim: hello, saw you in #lisp talking to gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: which rounds out the list.
davout: "while testing, kitting-out and packing would be performed by religious groups (in conservative states) and groups of people with alternative sexual orientations (in liberal ones)" <<< win
a111: Logged on 2014-07-16 19:04 mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758235 << turns out, we had a thread! ☝︎
asciilifeform: davout: it never looks like you're shitting in own soup, from the inside.
asciilifeform: 'Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality.... When consumers refuse to pay so much more than they feel they have to, Company A's widget fails in the marketplace, and the company is liquidated.' ☟︎
davout: "have larger club, kill more enemies, rape moar of their daughters", pretty clear to me. "intentionnally shit in my own soup, so i can remain employed as a maker of fresh soup, as a general thing" is something i have a bit more trouble seeing though
asciilifeform: tools are not dropped by martians, but are made in response to incentives.
davout: while i don't care much for docker specifically, i don't think it's a good approach to blame people's stupidity and lazyness on *tools*. sure it makes it easier to be retarded. and if your point is that it makes every sane's person job harder, why not, i can agree with that
asciilifeform: in exactly what way does this process differ from fiatocalypse ?
asciilifeform: certainly nobody is shoveling the shit in any other direction but - higher.
asciilifeform: and all of the idiocies papered over by the use thereof
davout: i'm not sure i agree with the generalization
asciilifeform: the magic here is that this debt, like the other debt, is NEVER paid.
davout: i can see your parallel with the fiat world through the mere existence of the "technical debt" expression
asciilifeform: currently these folx are living in a golden age of 'i'll take a shit as big as i like and somebody ~else~ will clean up'
asciilifeform: imagine if programmers actually had to answer for their pollutants. ☟︎
asciilifeform: like factory owner offloads pollution into the river.
asciilifeform: for absolutely nothing, esp. if you can offload the cost of your turd being pwned weekly, needing 16GB of ram, crashing daily, etc. on OTHER PEOPLE ☟︎
davout: if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price? ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha, in software world they re-defined 'just fine' to include turdolade that won't even build, regular crashes, infections, whole shebang.
davout: the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one! ☟︎
asciilifeform: golden toilet is 'status object', can be displayed.
davout: probably just as many people that are willing to pay $maxint to be able to shit in golden toilet
asciilifeform: how many 'i wanna web site!111' folks are ready to pay for a year of 'there are 100 of me' time.
asciilifeform: similar to reactor operators.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << gotta understand, the number of people alive qualified to do this safely is probably < 100. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (nor, i suspect, could he do this even if he wanted to - would have to also fix 1,001 turdware libs that the sufferers use, each of which will never be fixed because some 3-man shop somewhere also needs to eat... etc)
asciilifeform: for instance, what would happen if ben_vulpes were to fix the crud on a permanent, published basis ? rather than case-by-case
asciilifeform: the lack of incentive thing is elementary
davout: i blame 16gb of ram being seen as a small-sized server as the main cause of lazyness
asciilifeform: when stupidity, laziness, lead to starvation - they evaporate rapidly.
davout: well, i think that this is a result of people being stupid and lazy, not really much more
asciilifeform: rather like al schwartz's roach repellent which merely moves them to the neighbouring flat.
asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot. ☟︎
asciilifeform: davout: not simply this, but that these particular firemen do very little ASIDE FROM setting fires.
davout: your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania? ☟︎
asciilifeform: davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken. ☟︎
davout: not "creating more labour to keep the cows busy"
davout: asciilifeform: yeah that's the point
davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: well point of a380 is supposed to be moving folks across ocean cheaply
davout: you could fix the cessna i fly with a toothpick and some wire, doesn't mean that the existence of the A380 is justified by the creation of labor for the cattle
ben_vulpes: rails webshites have 10x the complexity for 1.1x the 'features'
davout: but that's kind of the same thing as saying "work creation is rewarded" when more modern airplanes require more maintenance
asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way ☟︎
davout: ah, missed the "in this case, 'work creation' is rewarded." line
asciilifeform: my realization is that this kind of thing is EXACTLY same as fiatolade ☟︎
davout: i definitely agree that this applies to rails the phramework, but i am and will openly remain a rubyrast
asciilifeform: in this case, 'work creation' is rewarded.
ben_vulpes: how can the game dynamics produce any other result?