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asciilifeform: phf: if you have a handy list of these lulz in your notes, plox to post
phf: well, yes, you have all the tarbas/ebuilds have a blake in manifest, but there's no equivalent for a git repo. those are just pulled
mircea_popescu: or a md5
asciilifeform: afaik almost all had a sha2 baked into the port def tho
asciilifeform: phf: indeed there were a great many ports without even a heathen gpg sig
trinque: no. not yet, he's getting a tarball signed
phf: asciilifeform: his is a vpatch
asciilifeform: trinque: is your item packaged roughly similarly to my rockchip thing ? (i.e. a tarball that i can unpack onto an empty ext4 , and jump into ) ? ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo ☟︎
asciilifeform: if trinque has a pre-alpha cuntoo for us, by all means let's fire away, and test
diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque's script is basically proto-cuntoo as far as I understand it; and it will result in a mulstronic system so why are we talking of a glibc box?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 12:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you are aware that the only means of testing a musltronic build of your proggy + deps on a conventional (glibc) box, is the rotor method, yes
mircea_popescu: the "a full gnat musl thing" portion seems to be satisfied by trinque 's currently published bootloader.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-1#385827 << There's a box powered on inside the rack with two fuckgoats, one raid card, one disk, and a KVM plugged in for this purpose
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:30 mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why ; cuz i said the idea is to ~test a musl process~ ; without hosing the machine currently running it.
ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that you wanted to wait for a machine that you could cut eulora server over to in toto
trinque: mircea_popescu: you get a fully musltronic gentoo out of the bootstrapper which will be useful for exactly that purpose
asciilifeform: (on a conventional box.)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you mean other than because it dun require pizarro provision a box ?
diana_coman: from the other side: why would rotor-style be a better option than using trinque's script above?
mircea_popescu: so if i use it, the resulting system will in fact permit my testing of a whole set of musl-compiled deps, system wide, such as mysql and whatever other libs eulora pulls.
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, help me understand this. so you have a script that a) works, in the sense of bootloading a b) gentoo which is musl-compiled but c) doesn't have a proper v tree.
trinque: mircea_popescu: it is musl; it is just not using a v-tree of ebuilds for its portage
asciilifeform: the only way to muslate on a conventional (glibc) box, is via the rotor method.
asciilifeform: iirc i explained this in an earlier thread, but it is not possible to test selectively-musltronic e.g. mysql installed ~systemwide~ on a conventional glibc box
trinque: I was saying the script (which is now a bootstrapper) can be used to produce a usable system (which is not cuntoo, but gentoo), and I think it's reasonable not to want to use that.
trinque: one sec, received a phone call. brb.
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a chance you can supply us with a 'pre-release' cuntoo ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the point remains, though. given that apparently we both misread the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828010 line, it may actually be entirely spurious to get a box and build on it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand, it would not be a wasted effort , given as if a musl-incompatibility is revealed , diana_coman can go straight to patching it, working in parallel with trinque's finishing touches on cuntoo
mircea_popescu asked for a box!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a second devil potentially in the details -- not knowing much re eulora particulars, asciilifeform does not know whether it will actually build 100% musltronically
trinque: this is correct; I've been fighting a war against upstream and reposessing items since the original build script. this process is close but not done.
mircea_popescu: trinque aha so basically the situation here is, 1. you did an ablated gentoo last year, which was more vanilla ; 2. meanwhile it was discovered no longer builds, because imperial shitstack can't be a foundation for anything but the cockroaches ; 3. since ave1 work meshes well with older asciilifeform work we've updated the cuntoo target for a full musl integration, and this will come but 4. prolly later this year ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828010 <- this; my understanding is that it would still give a musltronic system, right? ☝︎
trinque: this build script was to have a gentoo which uses musl, and uses patched ebuilds from the libressl and musl overlays.
mircea_popescu: i thought you had published something recently, like a week or so.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I published a build script that upstream subsequently trashed, abandoned gcc versions, and all the rest.
diana_coman: eh, ~anyone stuck in a similar situation would learn it quite as fast; and that "easily" means mum talking like crazy all the time, lol
asciilifeform: it is however my current understanding that diana_coman wants a trinque cuntoo install. this means that trinque gotta give the signal and supply with what to install -- and ideally prior to going on his vacation.
diana_coman: resistors, capacitors, a led
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mod6 appreciate the situation here : 1. customer walks in. this is a MAJOR item for a company that apparently lost its only candidate manager over the inability to organize a sales mechanism, whereby doesn't have to wait for customer to walk in.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu fwiw kid also got a basic set of electronic components and a board to stick them onto + booklet with ~100 basic circuits and he's been having a blast with it although I'd say he still has a way to go to fully grasp what he's doing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's still conceivable we'll eventually give enough of a shit to perfect a chip lifting process.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 19:02 mircea_popescu: mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine.
asciilifeform: btw in addition to mircea_popescu's earlier observation, it aint a total loss also in that asciilifeform can bake a neutered replacement rom more or less immediately if the key is ever popped.
mircea_popescu: i have no problem with http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ ; aftert all i came up with it. but i have a problem with halfway measures towards it.
asciilifeform: ( picture a 'alt-history' where it came to be that 2/3 of population owned a particle accelerator (let's say, for sterilization of even moar outlandishly-gangrenous usa.beef than presently sold . ) picture the pestilential 'omfg i am eating what! isotope?!' complaints
trinque: the sad creatures aren't being given anything to do, which would prompt the "ah shit, I don't even own a proper pair of underwear^W^W^Wcomputer"
mircea_popescu: do you know they literally lack the werewithal, as 20something yos, supposedly capable of employment and child rearing, to a) identify the problem ; b) identify the solution ; c) put boards into a mobo and hook it all up ?
mircea_popescu: are you aware about 2/3 of the fuckage female population does not own a computer ?
asciilifeform: imho 'buy boards, make desktop' is not particularly educational in current-day, aside from the abstract teaching of 'yes, the parts are interchangeable, yes you can work a screwdriver' kindergarten curriculum
asciilifeform: in particular true for radio work, where the 'lumped' (see maxwell thread) approximation taught in uni, is actually a mere toy approximation of physical reality
asciilifeform: folx who learned from paper and simulators, tend to end up in a sad corner when time to actually build something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "make own" is always a good idea ; i train new slavegirls in cooking even though i got more star-able cooks here than any restaurant ever afforded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'make own ups' is a sort of peculiar joke, surplus datacentre ups are just short of a dime a dozen
mircea_popescu: anyway, you wouldn't use consumer "tech" for any serious purpose. make a god damned inverter, out of one of those solar power bs.
asciilifeform: ( when asciilifeform was running number for a -- so far, paper-only , gedankenexperiment -- shortwave gossipd station, realized that the traditional outlandish bulk of 1000+w shortwave transmitter, is unnecessary if you only care to transmit millisecond bursts a couple times per hr ; can have fairly compact and inexpensive item, not normally seen in 'heavy' pirate radio experience )
asciilifeform: ( btw this kind of thing has some interesting implications: iron that runs in pulse duty cycle can handle unspeakable wattage for so long as the pulse is short. consider typical example, photographer's xenon flash lamp, if you wanted same light in a sustained 100% cycle, you need a 10kg projector rather than 10g flash thingie. or targeting laser for tank, easily 50w , but pocket-sized. )
mircea_popescu: anyway, they exist to foul up the world. fucking obviously "open source ups" is a basement full of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803817 as pluriously discussed in the logs ☝︎
asciilifeform: dafuq, one might naively ask, is the point, of such a thing.
asciilifeform: re 'surprised by wealth folx', asciilifeform was somewhat astonished to discover that esr's infamous 'open sores ups project' features not a 'make own heavy industrial ups to run for 3 days' but instead... clone of one of those laughably miniature things they sell at konsoomer kompooter shops, 'run for 3min so you can shitdown'
asciilifeform: i saw a pretty great showing of it once, complete with pipe organist accompaniment
mircea_popescu: first it kinda looks like a) it really is a film everyone wants to watch and b) they're in the main cast!!!
mircea_popescu: because he's a fucktard, specifically.
mircea_popescu: precisely same as to the "surprised by wealth" moron. sitting somewhere in a peculiar hovel hoping people from the internet will come anf fix his ac.
mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trilema oldies, http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/
asciilifeform: 'A friend, learning C, asked me for help in understand the results of some such expression as a = (b++) + ((b++) + (b++)) It emerged that one could run this on different compilers, even on the same machine, and get about as many results as one tried different compilers...' etc
a111: Logged on 2018-06-30 13:45 phf: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479 "C Is Not a Low-level Language: Your computer is not a fast PDP-11."
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, in re the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-30#1830910 lulzfest, https://archive.fo/0AQo0 >> 'what happens when a bunch of people without even first year maths try to write a specification without understanding how to define representations. Technically the representation model is entirely non-normative because it's logically circular.' ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831734 << launches today ! ( making a few edits atm ) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, "if you're fucktarded enough to think this worn out borderline sleeve is going to pronounce you a ~world leader~, it'll cost you fiddy bux or w/e"
mircea_popescu: "These days I work as a change activist, mounting summits for world leaders and serving as an adviser to startups and entrepreneurs looking to better the planet. "
mircea_popescu: choice bits, "Last year, I ended a two-year relationship with a man who ultimately couldn’t commit and wanted to be polyamorous." ie "i was somewhere mid-dial on the phone of some dude with some money, who eventually had enough of my airs and stopped returning calls".
a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 16:24 mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia.
mircea_popescu: they had a viper mustang, and a beautiful belair, and a thunderbird and things.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 23:08 trinque: phf, Mocky, and others waiting on cuntoo, the genesis.vpatch which contains only the ebuilds necessary for a minimal system is about 4mb.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826640 << cut weight to 2.4mb by removing alternative versions of ebuilds. who wants one of 'em can sign a patch. ☝︎
brazilish: how can i switch a pgp key keeping the history? everyone that sent a rating need to send it again to the new pgp key?
mircea_popescu: you also don't need a safe for your shoes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile intellectual dispute in mp household over who came up with calling marlon brando a potato ; resolved by "eh, shut up and go do some dishes", followed by suspect silence.
BingoBoingo: This is for an arm board, but the cuts asciilifeform makes are a good start on any platform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295
BingoBoingo: There's a bit of literature out, but consensus is you are best off baking your own gentoo
brazilish: btw, I want to ask if there is some reference here about how correctly doing safe computing, because i feel that if I create a pgp private key on my current setup, USG would already have it pre-seeded
BingoBoingo: Until you register you're a stranger and every time you show is essentially your first time
BingoBoingo: Well, now would be a good time to register
trinque: I suppose by now we'd better move to !!settle-invoice before the command proximity maims a friend
wyrdmantis: Someone contacted me and asked if I know someone willing to sell bitcoin in large quantity at 10% discount, via wire transfer. Anybody here knows such a person, or any idea about where to find her?
wyrdmantis: Hello, I have a question for ya
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, i don't get it, why the fuck would some bar apologize for pick-a-whore offering a free trick ?!
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, "IssueCrawler >> Log-in A software tool that locates and visualizes networks on the web. See www.govcom.org/scenarios_use.html for more information."
mircea_popescu: there was ~a very good reason~ for mccarthyism, as it turns out, specifically this fear among the warren buffett class of the period that the kids are just about going to desert them.
mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform phf or other conaisseurs of ye olde mosfilm : you'll prolly much enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/the-lords-of-flatbush/ ; it's basically the tough youth of soviet agitprop, in all the formal particulars, except functionally he runs away like a rabbit and sees no problem with this.
mod6: Lords and Laides of The Most Serene Republic: I'd like to announce that in addition to looking for a new manager for Pizarro, we are also looking someone to fill the role of Treasurer. Please let us know if interested in either role. Thanks!