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ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: indeed; though atm I can't think of anything that isn't ~= automated walk of N dbs
asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
asciilifeform: re 'why the fuck bot doesn't see own output' -- mircea_popescu had a piece re the idjicy of 'nat' , where same, q of 'what is my ip' becomes suddenly irresolvable w/out external help. i suspect in both cases 'sleep of reason breeds monsters', no one even considered to fucking think.
asciilifeform: ( lamport did not offer a 'wat-do if N parties can't agree on 'prev line'', if he had thought about this, bitcoin would have existed, at least as algo, in 1990... )
mircea_popescu: such wunderbar winful scheme, it's a fucking wonder they didn't come up with it / use it
mircea_popescu: if i use logger a it is because i use logger a ; i wouldn't appreciate seeing my lines edited to use logger b, and especially not by logger b.
diana_coman: and I don't see any need to change the urls anyway
diana_coman: yes; but not for changing urls (anyway it doesn't help with that, or I don't see how since url uses nosuchlabs /ossasepia, no?)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm? it wasn't about url, lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform: me being silly really; your dump has nsabot user, my db has ossabot so I did stupidly a blind replace, didn't think of the name in the log
asciilifeform: diana_coman: mircea_popescu said 'go think', so i went, to think. still haven't a pill tho.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I agree re trouble but sadly I don't have any idea how to solve it
diana_coman: but it does mean that indices won't be in sync, pretty much, huh
asciilifeform: diana_coman yours logged when wasn't voiced
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 04:55:56 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
asciilifeform: or nm, that wouldn't explain ( thought, at first 'it sees own output, naturally, 1st' but that wouldn't explain wai above diverges )
lobbes: indeed. well I'm off. have fun #t!
trinque: listen if the cops don't show up it's not a trinquian solution!11!1
lobbes: asciilifeform: is indeed ejected girly. Didn't come to having to call police it seems; she got the message
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in utterly mindblowing meta : nutaku.net/games/7-angels is a... game that... well... it simulates dating. for the people for whom the normal simulated dating apps ain't simulacrous enough, they have the next step over.
mircea_popescu: iirc one of the best serpentine roads in the world, it's a wonder they didn't simply close it and rent it out for motorcycling events
mircea_popescu: trinque, aite, lemme do it over, i don't want to pay week-old invoice in bitcoin. 5 mins.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
lobbes: hint: even though the "mod_proxy" wasn't showing up via the "apache2 -M" dump, nor in my modules.d configs... it, apparently, works anyway? Idk I'm sleep deprived nao; off to bed
trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 11:33:34 trinque: mircea_popescu: didn't get a !!v for that one
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932622 << wouldn't even be that surprising ; freenode's about as dead as disco
asciilifeform: i can't imagine diana_coman is the only 1
diana_coman: the scripts for bot & reader are a bit iffier in that I couldn't test them (and they look different from asciilifeform's because of the python version on centos).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 13:24:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you; I haven't yet set the cron jobs, yes; will do it later today.
BingoBoingo: I don't see anything other than a martial interpretation of Argentinism (Modern Democracy) at work. Rah, Rah, We R Kool and God/IMFLoans/SovereignDefault/Buitres will indemnify our tribe in the end so long as we appear to go through the motions.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phunphakt -- in early-period israel, 'localhost surviver' wasn't considered worth to brag, it was seen (generally correctly) as ~= 'quisling'
BingoBoingo: Dr. Shahak covers certain aspects of the talmud/rabbinic tradition that don't get earnestly translated into English much with respect in ingroup/outgroup. Covers some specific aspects that get adopted as policy through unholy mixture of modern democracy and pre-internet missives on communications ethics.
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's 'and they won't yield' piece re subj.
asciilifeform: iirc past coupla yrs of prb won't even give peers table. but i'm not interested so much in what prb nodes have to say to begin with.
BingoBoingo: Maybe, but there just wasn't more than 5 to 10-ish square mm of metal surface exposed on them for air to do much heat exchanging
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can't remember reboot requests for the rockchips that didn't involve disk swaps
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you; I haven't yet set the cron jobs, yes; will do it later today.
trinque: mircea_popescu: didn't get a !!v for that one
lobbes: Note, too, that my saltmine right now IS a "9-5", only I lucked out finding one that a) "pays well" and b) I don't, actually, work a full "9-5". I'm bezzling the bezzle, in a sense
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, you mean that curl doesn't follow the redirect, right.
asciilifeform: gotta use full url w/ chan, to get the page. curl normally doesn't walk 301 ( there's a toggle but i fughot )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: doesn't your default /log go to #o ?
asciilifeform: i expect that the o(1) tx db will become needed at some pt for realtime operation, rather than a 'wouldn't it be nice one day' item.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no human being seems to have *450 yet, so i can't very well try an' eat it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw if you haven't noticed, that block aint edible, it's a MB and half !!
girlattorney: BingoBoingo i think you aren't aware that currently there isn't an IP route from fortaleza to eu
girlattorney: that fiber that already exist from brazil to portugal is only used for telephone traffic (can't remember where i read this)
girlattorney: won't change much politically, but this cable has the potential to lower the overseas link prices
girlattorney: i must disclose that at the current value of BTC i'm haven't got so much to justify multiple nodes in expensive colos
girlattorney: but haven't understood if ripe depends from iana
girlattorney: so as long as trb doesn't care about the peers, and there isn't a single point of failure (aka DNS and root servers) we are sound, correct?
diana_coman: I checked at http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html and !o didn't seem taken but it's not among the "next in line" either
diana_coman: ah, can't talk in here, good.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932188 << my objection to e.g. tcl isn't in 'martian syntax', but that it's a titanic pile of ??? in c, exactly like python, perl, et al
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 06:59:30 mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa ok, wasn't hanbot. i was thinking i was merely thick.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 22:51:04 lobbes: For clarity, on testbed I got the eater.py and the reader.py working fine. Was able to view loglines and search with no issue (on localhost only, didn't test port forwarding). Did *not* test the bot.py, however. For reference, my version info: Flask 0.12.2; psycopg2 2.7.4; Python 2.7.15
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:36:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: China doesn't even particularly like Argentina. The Argentine Navy shoots at their fishing boats.
mp_en_viaje: you can build ok from gentoo work if in there, but it won't work in centos world and vice0versa, "version number" irrespective.
mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:47:14 mircea_popescu: this understanding is current as of cca 2016. meanwhile we agreed that because a) it is preferrable to work with republican rather than imperial items and to prevent more imperial seepage than needed ; and because b) there's no limit to signature count as per long standing observations and discussions (with a very early asciilifeform cca 2013 maybe) then therefore the correct approach is to sign things early, t
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932106 << I agree this is probably the proper behavior. But it ain't changing anytime soon. The heathen coad lobbesbot runs on [i.e. it doesn't sit on the logbot tree like auctionbot] is slated to be discontinued just as soon as I get some more important things complete. Not sinking any more time trying to staple that dead horse
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:54:34 asciilifeform: i recall lobbes was using some kinda system for sucking down py libs that worked through the deps chain, but can't recall what was
lobbes: For clarity, on testbed I got the eater.py and the reader.py working fine. Was able to view loglines and search with no issue (on localhost only, didn't test port forwarding). Did *not* test the bot.py, however. For reference, my version info: Flask 0.12.2; psycopg2 2.7.4; Python 2.7.15
asciilifeform: trinque: ave1 even made a working gnat, but it doesn't know how to do preemtible threads.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931886 << didn't, and I'm a little hesitant to continue on in that vein before making sure I know what the desirable product is.
BingoBoingo: I don't see a situation where the Chicoms step in to save Argentina. Argentina isn't rich in natural resources like Vzla.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: China doesn't even particularly like Argentina. The Argentine Navy shoots at their fishing boats.
asciilifeform: i recall lobbes was using some kinda system for sucking down py libs that worked through the deps chain, but can't recall what was
diana_coman: well, by now it seems to me that either ALL match, or otherwise headache; and I suspect that at the next level it's simply either same repo/distro or won't match
asciilifeform: diana_coman: bot is own program and doesn't have any deps (aside from py per se and psycopg)
asciilifeform: ftr i was half-convinced that it won't even run outside of asciilifeform's test beds -- until lobbes replicated
diana_coman: ah, yes, I'm sure 2.6ism would break 2.7, it's more this "fun" of code reuse; and I can ofc install python 2.7 on top; I seriously wonder though what's really the fastest route; because also, above it doesn't even seem to be print, it barfs when importing flask, a few layers deep in werkzeug and whatever
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-23 17:34:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
lobbes: haven't tried on any other versions yet
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 16:29:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: in your logbot readme: shouldn't it be create database nsalog; instead of createdb? at least my postgres chokes on createdb under psql
diana_coman: asciilifeform: in your logbot readme: shouldn't it be create database nsalog; instead of createdb? at least my postgres chokes on createdb under psql
BingoBoingo: In local news, don't skimp on the quicklime https://www.sudestada.com.uy/articleId__1a7440e0-0947-439f-9437-327a3cb95b6e/10893/Detalle-de-Noticia
asciilifeform: annoyingly , they all run on 12v, so can't use single-output 5v high current thing like i was initially planning, for the entire thing
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:19:07 mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931769 << but if you redirect both you end up with endless redirect, and if you only redirect one either the server doesn't know what link is sought or the client doesn't scroll to the desired position.
mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
mircea_popescu: so in practical, male, power-constructed terms, however you wish to call this : if you fail to make good because you spent all your resources hailing twennysomethings, that's a failure of education (ie, blame the parents, shoulda told you better), but if you fail to make it because couldn't find support in the old guard, well, that's the plain failure to thrive (blame self).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 19:59:18 lobbes: incidentally, it may be time I join the rotaku club. Good % of Trilema that I can't even begin to read
trinque: if it hasn't been historically meaningful, honesty says kill it
asciilifeform: ( should we even have it in the links..? not as if quoting bot doesn't spew the date when quoting )
trinque: isn't the former already contemplated?
trinque: I wouldn't even consider it a sin if you just went back and fixed all the links to point to present logger, and in so doing, fixed the format.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931397 << yes, I don't understand what it means to both be decorative and work correctly
trinque: lemme go back and try and figure out what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, unless you'd endulge me with a restatement, because I don't think I'm following.
asciilifeform: lobbes: normally folks start with the kana ( or you can't even read a normal dictionary or kindergarten-level book etc )
lobbes: incidentally, it may be time I join the rotaku club. Good % of Trilema that I can't even begin to read
lobbes: It shouldn't be a surprise that I weigh mircea_popescu's advice in such matters with a tad more weight, so when it lines up with my observations in the field it usually is a sign I'm on the right track
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is once USG turned to waivers to put more dole on the defense budget... I can't tell if those are enlisted marines or honored "make a wish" outreach victims.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 08:01:06 lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I don't really have a style to cramp atm; I'll eat any and all knowledge right now