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asciilifeform: gold from mile-deep drill holes, plundering the abyss. As we fueled a civilization wielding wealth and power culled from the physical, cultural and political conquest of an entire planet we tossed pennies of compensation in the faces of our Third World vassals. ... We don't do that anymore. Any of it.'

asciilifeform: 'We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science' << bahahahhaha

mircea_popescu: jesus that was a belaboured 300 words.

a111: Logged on 2016-02-03 01:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally do you recall that very ingenious thing that worked essentially as a vinyl record player needle but on a random chunk of clay pot ?

asciilifeform: later there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394793 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2013-12-12 20:36 asciilifeform: i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot

mircea_popescu: a a

a111: Logged on 2015-03-17 02:26 mircea_popescu: "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-17#1054497 << fucking hysterical products of spelunking. get a load of that, soviet pioneer has read lenin, is sad to have to go back home. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-05-11 00:08 mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is

mircea_popescu: nope. that's a reference to an earlier discussion.

a111: Logged on 2015-06-27 03:23 mircea_popescu: "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".

mircea_popescu: and while at it, hey esthlos when you summarize this, do me a favour and link the discussion of globalization, integration, and sociopolitical construct evolution, yes ? :D

mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery ☟︎

mircea_popescu: as long as they believe that, they'll vote pantsuit, happily participating in the famous https://www.oglaf.com/hotbuttons/2/ competition (which they lose, seeing how my http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ overwhelms any biospawn they could come up with ; or more generally given that the sword cuts a portion of the way for them and the whole of the way for us.

mircea_popescu: in the end, meaningful socialism depends on this, yes ? if it weren't the [injust, btw] "control of the means of reading", anyone could be a factory owner. no ? are not all people born capable of reading ? it is only the envious piling up of glasses by ~some~ that prevent ~the rest of us~ from reading. especially the young.

mircea_popescu: generally, the infant's "that man reads, give me his glasses so i may read too", carefully preserved as a ~useful~ fatal flaw in the taxpayer's brain by the flawed establishment.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wide swath, from thinking self wasted on washing floors to getting on irc and then resetting the connection fifty hundred times, and tons of other items more context dependant.

mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of a certain young adult, "but you're ~good~ ~here~."

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 23:07 asciilifeform: phf: my alt-hypothesis is that it's something slightly different -- it's a haskellism. ameri-sad folx are irresistibly drawn to ~elaborately ineffective~ tech , that absorbs infinite 'ricering' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-09#552410 ) while giving chance to 'show how clever'

asciilifeform: attraction to 'problems out of pay grade' is a specific disease, endemic , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840094 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/#selection-39.89-43.96 quite specific. aha.

asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, dug up vintage lul http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ , where mircea_popescu went through the sweat to replicate my failed pipes experiment . where in the end, yr+ later, the correct pill turned out to be entirely unrelated aggression patch )

asciilifeform: that was in http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ iirc

asciilifeform: ( btw you still have a 'http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets' in there )

asciilifeform: 'inasmuch as reddit hasn't been made by me or my friends nor is it owned by me or my friends it is ultra legem et extra curia, an outlaw thing, marked for death and without a future. Just like it's no crime to kill, maim or rob one without a WoT account, it's no crime to abuse reddit any way you please' etc

asciilifeform: there was also a passage in http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/

asciilifeform: there is definitely a canonical piece , but where.

mircea_popescu: problems being that a) i already linked it and b) doesn't even say "name"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happens to be iyo the cannonical piece re "mp explains non-wot items can't properly be said to have a name" ?

mircea_popescu: i get it, the story they tell themselves is that "academia" ie various subhumans ( such as say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_0_71619 ) does take them seriously. this is the direct equivalent of lenin a) imagining tabletop gamers take him seriously and b) telling himself this matters, back in 1925. are you fucking kidding me ?!

mircea_popescu: theres a whole lot of that in eulora as well. and in ~all cpp-gui offerings past 20 yearsd

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832784 << let's flesh this out a little, while at it. podophyllotoxin, active ingredient in mandrake root, is not only toxic but actually damages dna (ties the strand to topoisomerase, and prevents religation). this happens to be useful in some medical contexts (neoplasm management, basically). enter etoposide and teniposide, one with a methyl the other with a thienyl. otherwise, same item. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the usual "why magic number ?" question goes doubly so for thread counts -- if your program has a fixed thread count it's not multi-threaded, it's badly written.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 22:31 asciilifeform: 'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841669 << eulora client has a lot of this. you know it uses 5 threads ? of which 4 do nothing ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with this, incidentally. exploration is exploration. "we're trying things out, go away" is a perfectly legitimate state of affairs.

asciilifeform: there is no indication that there ever ~had been~ a 'why'. d00d designs like child picks his nose.

mircea_popescu: somehow the idiocy of democracy, "we have a new senate" "what was wrong with the old one ?" "huh ?" is supposed to steal our wits with the eyes attached, and leave us believing that "this is how it goes" or something ?

mircea_popescu: it's readily suspicious, when the following elements meet : a) a new set is promoted that includes some of the elements of the previous set but b) there's no discussion of why exactly some were left out, in substantial terms of what was wrong with them that reach all the way to the root and c) the author is apparently unaware that the a-b combo is the principal signal of idiocy.

asciilifeform: 'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle' ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'aah you put something in a hash table, why now surprised that it uses half a meg each time, dontchaknow it has to rebalance red-black'

asciilifeform: if one were to ~set out to~ take the merely convoluted pointersandoverflowslang aka c, and turn into ~permanently~ indecipherably stateful churning liquishit, it would be quite difficult to do a 'better' job of it than stroustrup did.

mircea_popescu: "I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. " << that poor guy. i'd say on reflection this is utterly the engineerhead problem, "takes a whole adult life to unlearn five lines of socialist idiocy a stupid woman poured into the 3yo head"

mircea_popescu: "In the first incident a SEATAC ground crew member 29 year old Richard Russell" << could use some commas.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:43 asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode.

mircea_popescu: how did the monk that hated laughter go, "but a splendid, eternal recapitulation".

mircea_popescu: it's a learning journey.

asciilifeform: ( granted , literacy only worx if there exist reader also, and not merely chuckcha-is-a-writer )

asciilifeform: ( somewhere i got a GB+ of faqolade from the golden usenet days, some are pretty lulzy reads )

a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:34 phf: i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said"

asciilifeform: well poseidon is a mr

asciilifeform: sure does. if mircea_popescu speaking into a gpgtron, then deliberate off-forum. if he's talking into a wire that turns out aint plugged into nuffin, then weather.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:31 phf: we've had this conversation long time ago, that irc loging is a purely gossip-like thing. at best you can say that "a111 received this message at such and such time, was claimed to be from X"

lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:52:40: <Mocky> is it permissible to use c++11 features with the client/build? I couldn't tell from the jamconfig. it seems like the int64_t type is a c++11 thing and that's in there.

mircea_popescu: the guy that was going to make a working satellite fell into latrine and sunk under weight of wristwatch (that included laptop).

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841302 << nah. integration is generally a bad idea. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first time i saw a steam-powered sledge. russian technology ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:30:42 << such a fucking perfect snowglobe.

mircea_popescu: "this most prestigious rhino has a cat's head inside the chicken head on each of its four wingtips. SO MUCH MORE PRESTIGIOUS than the flying whale of that other temple"

mircea_popescu: well, until he finds a real job (tm). as per above.

mircea_popescu: sorta like being a homosexual was only a sexual choice before they came up with the political choice of being gay.

asciilifeform: afaik typical orc puts on a suit solely when being buried

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, eating roadkill is only not giving a shit until some nutjob in santa cruz comes up with $275 to rent a cable channel slot and starts pushing his miracle cure, diet & philosophy.

mircea_popescu: in my case it's in suits. but in any case, it'll ahve to not have been pret-a-porter not-giving-shits.

mircea_popescu: ALSO "not giving a shit" amirite.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:03 phf: asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out that this addition breaks things. you have to make sure that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs, to ensure continuity, where the fact that the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without trying to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it this way, "ropa americana" ie, 2nd hand clothes imported from the us, are VERY DISTINGUISHABLE in actual not-giving-a-shit places. how would this be, if it carried no information ?

a111: Logged on 2018-08-13 17:27 mircea_popescu: george sanders has an excellent point re this : "for new yorkers who want to go out of town, new haven is a stretch of sidewalk between the taft hotel and the schubert theatre, surrounded by what appears remarkably like a small town".

trinque: *conspicuously not giving a shit

asciilifeform: 'company dress code' must be a west-usa thing, asciilifeform went through several slaveries where he was only one not dressed in hobo garb

mircea_popescu: kinda how this works, best i can tell. "this is the livery for expressing your disdain to livery, and this is the livery to express your dedication to livery, and there you go, a complete experience out of a cardboard breakfast box"

asciilifeform: i recall slaving in a galley where the brass handed out 'company shirts', then later saw'em in the kitchen as dishrags

mircea_popescu: if it doesn't come with a laptop-with-watch-in-it, it's not as PRESTIGIOUS a job. (term of art, from the guy with the vehemently delectable pork sausage)

trinque: the logic is "oooh what a demo, so future"

mircea_popescu: end up with a programmable hardware inclusion list on which to run a php ftp emulator.

mircea_popescu: trinque hopefully they put a laptop in the watch next.

diana_coman: and at any rate gentoo is only last linux installed, being as it is a public toilet iron of sorts, it got at different points in its life everything on

diana_coman: eh, it is a sort of public toilet

BingoBoingo: Ah, a long tale of the new recruit's lappy

asciilifeform: ( iirc that one was also a fiorina creation )

mircea_popescu: item is actually very pleasant, from a purely visual perspective. stupid-ish kbd, but large and light. fits perfectly on ass of girl holding her ankless so you can hurt her asshole while you lovingly kiss another.

asciilifeform: why even sound on a lappy, lol

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at this point this is a decade-long pestilence, even asciilifeform's x60 (circa 2009, iirc) terraforming recipe includes patching bios to permit hand-installed nic to work , followed by installation of same

mircea_popescu: EXACTLY like shitty cellphone service, "hey, you just placed a call, we'll send spam sms 10 minutes later, so you think it's the op and look"

mircea_popescu: "hey, it seems like you're copying a lot of files, would you like to buy this or that ?"

mircea_popescu has wiped the windows10 off a hp "envy". jesus fuck, anyone had ANY FUCKING IDEA just how many times you gotta reboot and bless the box to get through the lock microshit put on the boot process ?!

asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode. ☟︎

trinque figures there's some phrase in russian that means roughly "complexity accumulated in bureau A because not permitted/unwilling to change how bureau B works"

phf: own freenode comes with a neat feature of logger on relay

phf: i mean, your bots gotta exist in a distributed pool, each does a whois on join, negotiates a spawn of a new bot if there's an untracked connection. of course this is an unreasonable amount of engineering for a logbot

asciilifeform: iirc mine is still set to rotate through a couple

phf: asciilifeform: you missed what i said. whois tells you which server user connects through. to prevent a netsplit scenario, you have to connect to every one of those boxes with at least one bot, but better yet n+1

phf: i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said" ☟︎

phf: we've had this conversation long time ago, that irc loging is a purely gossip-like thing. at best you can say that "a111 received this message at such and such time, was claimed to be from X" ☟︎

phf: also kako's format includes a unique id as the first field, obviously will also need to be removed

asciilifeform: i expect there'll be spots where a thing is 1 or 2 places out of order ( fleanode does not reliably preserve same-millisecond ordering iirc ) but aside from that oughta be diffable afaik

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?

phf: to close upstack before it gets lost, you need http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-4-introduction-of-the-platform/ and http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/ the later is a full regrind (which i also didn't notice until btcbase failed to link 4 to rest)

asciilifeform: a url that one can GET and puts out e.g. last 500kB of raw log, isn't so much moar abusable than the ordinary formatted feed imho