asciilifeform: prolly quite enough to die at least decade sooner, and that is supposing i eat no moar of it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but hey, i 'made up for lost time' later, had my share of petro-rubbish in usaschwitz.

asciilifeform did, not long before the airplane, tasted soy 'chocolate' and went 'ewwww'

asciilifeform had no experience of these marvels.

asciilifeform: very much these.

asciilifeform: it became - think - a kind of dynamo, grunting against a short circuit.

asciilifeform put one of them collars on, then searched in vain for why turning handwheel is ~FUCK THIS WON'T MOVE~, chug-chug-chug instead of whhhhrr. inspected lead screw, with magnifying glass, took whole slide apart, back together, then noticed that the stepper motor's wires were touching...

asciilifeform: but it is true.

asciilifeform: either that or my robotic mircea_popescutron generated it.

asciilifeform: was it in a mircea_popescu article that i read 'rat does not know where he will eat, but knows that he ~will~ eat, and delights in the disjunction' ?

asciilifeform how many folks do not know the joy of 'part that took month to find, fits!'

asciilifeform: and aaaaaaaaah the thrust collars are finally here.

asciilifeform: lolgato1 has quit (Client Quit) << do they fuck like this, also ?

asciilifeform: similar coat figured in a famous (in certain circles) duel b/w two drunken privates in ww2, fought with lendlease 'thompsons' ('.45' calibre)

asciilifeform: y'mean the raygun from last thread ?

asciilifeform: all i ever changed were the buttons.

asciilifeform: was it the same in entire sovblok ?

asciilifeform never lacked for meat, nor had any notion that any european childrenz in 20th motherfucking century, might have.

asciilifeform: << holy shit, ro of the period was a motherfucking india ?! ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'which meant that out of a hundred or so kids eating in a large room, I was the one getting the chicken meat parts. Which I didn't like, nor ate, because they were inferior bits to what I normally chomped at home, and they consequently didn't interest me, notwithstanding that most of those children had never in their life eaten meat. Supposedly it was good for them, right ? Vegetarianism is the future and all that ?'

asciilifeform: then it is most appropriate to use sequence number

asciilifeform: which is why phf can buy airplane ticket and celebrate new year twice in a year.

asciilifeform: there is not a guarantee even of this

asciilifeform: it is not a thing to be done lightly.

asciilifeform: phf: when you make use of a timestamp, you are also asking ~other~ people to trust clock not to fuck ~them~ over.

asciilifeform: what do you do with a signature that took place after a revocation time, that you have ALREADY accepted as valid for some purpose ?

asciilifeform: and - do i need to draw a picture, or is this obvious ? - they are free to ignore it; or they may not even GET the message; and are guaranteed to get it, IF they get it, at different physical TIMES

asciilifeform: there is only a message, that you can transmit to other ~people~, politely asking 'please stop using this key'

asciilifeform: revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working. ☟︎

asciilifeform: znort987: familiar with the 'protocol vs promise' concept that we developed and exposed here ?

asciilifeform: ^ there was at least one detailed thread re this.

asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: znort987: key revocation is not actually a thing

asciilifeform: (though i suppose it could ~store~ the key-rated-key item as easily as anything else could)

asciilifeform: the 'keys rating keys' thing does not yet exist. ☟︎

asciilifeform: most of the users of each successive wotron left the previous one 'to the worms and flies' and quit updating ratings therein.

asciilifeform: znort987: there is not - unfortunately - yet a fully decentralized (see 'gossipd' thread) wot mechanism. but there are at least 3 centralized wotrons. in order of age: -otc wot; kakobreklan ('assbot') wot; and #trilema wot.

asciilifeform: and with why kakobrekla is not to be found there ?

asciilifeform: znort987: are you familiar with how there came to be a #trilema ?

asciilifeform: n see a one thousand dollar bank note issued before 1900. That is why large size $1,000 bills are so rare today. If you were rich enough to see one, you were smart enough to not keep it. Currency didn't really become collectible until the 1950s. There was no reason to save a $1,000 bill. You were just losing out on the interest it could be earning.'

asciilifeform: 'It should go without saying that at the time when most $1,000 bills were printed that they were virtually unobtainable for the average American citizen. We are specifically talking about 1928 and 1934 notes. You can only imagine what kind of purchasing power a $1,000 bill had during the great depression. What is really amazing is that $1,000 bills were first issued during the 1860s. You would have to be extremely wealthy to ever eve

asciilifeform: ed examples should be worth face value. All other notes are definitely collectible. Some $1,000 bills can be worth several thousand dollars each. Your standard value for a generic note in lightly circulated condition is probably $1,600.'

asciilifeform: elsewhere, 'One thousand dollar bills may seem rare and exotic to the casual observers. The latest series date is 1934A. Surprisingly though, $1,000 bills were seen in circulation up until the early 1970s. You could still order them from banks in the 1960s. It is not uncommon for older Americans to take them to the bank to try to get face value today. Of course we wouldn’t recommend selling them for face value. Only severely impair

asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://www.apmex.com/category/61100/1-000-frns-1928-1934 << lulzy re earlier thread.