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asciilifeform: the man who pulls a great heist, is pissing on his assigned cattle stall and makes break for it. normally gets nowhere, but this is orthogonal.
asciilifeform: 'sir can you spare a dime' -- erry beggar who ever lived . neh
mircea_popescu: the elements a) he was there ; and b) was bored and c) item was also there and so d) he did something with it. monkey implemented in human genome, what.
asciilifeform: dunno, erry week the local cops here pick up a car thief, who took for joyride, i dun think it is because 'did not understand property'
mircea_popescu: kid was bored at work, who may tell him he's not allowed ~the use~ of ~reddit's airplane~ to ~do some cool shit~ for a break ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, but while discussing "new man" psychopathologies --- consider the dood who stole a plane to do barrel rolls on the basis of his video game experience.
mircea_popescu: seems there's the two strategies - either a very low bar of individuation, as employed on 4chan's "anon" bla bla -- they're not anonymous, it's just the identity attaqinable is very simple
trinque heard a tard say exactly "mark of the beast would be so convenient; I wouldn't have to worry about losing my credit card" just the other day
asciilifeform: at a certain point, the entomologists who still insists on distinguishing individual specimens will be stuck trying to catch'em and put numbered collars on, like on giraffes in africa, or how else to distinguish the indistinguishable..
mircea_popescu: in a very abstract sense.
mircea_popescu: can't imagine who'd give an inkling of a shit, besides the republic's incredibly advanced entomology dept.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-22 14:34 asciilifeform: in other heathen lulz, https://archive.is/yUvwS << 2017-style shitfork , rebranded as a kind of faux-trb, 'Satoshi Vision' of... 'block size to 128 MB'
BingoBoingo: But I am getting soup and a free sweep out of the deal.
BingoBoingo: So there is a local holiday called "Dia de nostalgia" where the locals listen to old pop music. The Peruana is rather insistent that the holiday is today. Thusly she took me for a walk, is cooking soup, and is cleaning Casa Boingo. I am under the impression the holiday is later this week, as the busdrivers and kiosk operators appear to be as well.
asciilifeform: in other heathen lulz, https://archive.is/yUvwS << 2017-style shitfork , rebranded as a kind of faux-trb, 'Satoshi Vision' of... 'block size to 128 MB' ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'll buy a 'he oughta have appeared here ~before~ strapped in the chair'.
mircea_popescu: not so impossible, from mine -- if CAMPOS were worth the cost of a decent burial, !!key CAMPOS would work.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps he's exactly a shitheel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps he dun have a tcp pipe in the cokemachine chair.
mircea_popescu: here's a possible theory : this dood went over the border twice to who knows, five times a day for months and fucking months, and they counted his money in front of him every time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that may be, but what of 11 In furtherance of this conspiracy and to effect the objects thereof, the following overt acts, among others, were committed: 1. On or about February 8, 2017, at approximately 12:10 a.m., defendant JACOB BURRELL CAMPOS entered the United States from Mexico in possession of $9, 500 in U.S. currency. 2. On or about February 8, 2017, at approximately 10:29 p.m., defendant JACOB BURRELL CA
mircea_popescu: simple heuristic : what starts as a scam moves on to http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ "agenture" and then finally on to the inca resting place.
mircea_popescu: sucks to be a zek, huh.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:38 mircea_popescu: here's a nice eulora knapsack problem for anyone looking to sharpen their ACTUAL computer science skills :
mod6: you grounding a mega-cage or what?
asciilifeform freshly back from pounding a 2metre copper stake into ground. in fucking mosquito hell.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:26 phf: this is for scripting though, the constraints are presumably not as tight. also gc is a kind of outer bound of a problem, can usually be special cased on a case by case. e.g. in erlang's case you can do region based allocation per process: cons as much as you want, collect everything when process dies.
mod6: there was a huge loss of poultry a few years back: http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/
BingoBoingo: At least its only a five figure number of chickens. My initial thought was 10x that.
BingoBoingo: It's a tale as old as time. Chicken company went bankrupt. Food gets low during a cold snap while the paperwork to get more food is en tramite. Chickens starve
asciilifeform: consing does a potentially very large amt of behind the scenes work, up to and including a full gc
phf: Mocky: it's an affectation, old time lispers used to refer to any kind of allocation as consing, but in c terms the implication there is malloc + whatever collection facility, not just a fire and forget malloc
phf: (apparently erlang does that already. gc is a per-process, everything's collected when the process dies, but a very traditional gc can be enabled or disabled also per process. apparently you can also specify process's heap size on allocation, and do things when that heap fills up)
asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct) ☟︎☟︎
phf: this is for scripting though, the constraints are presumably not as tight. also gc is a kind of outer bound of a problem, can usually be special cased on a case by case. e.g. in erlang's case you can do region based allocation per process: cons as much as you want, collect everything when process dies. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'd be quite happy to use a gc lang if i had iron that provides hard-O(1) cons
phf: re upstack gotta see how small an erlang vm can really be made. to some extent that work is going to be done with the whole tmsr scripting language direction, where we have different vm's explored on a cutting table.
asciilifeform: Mocky: process scheduler is annoying in re timing the instruction count used by a proggy . but doesn't leak anything if your proggy doesn't data-dependently address or branch.
asciilifeform: gc time and space behaviour is a big fat side channel into pretty much any crypto .
asciilifeform: a gc can be seen as an example of a data-dependent branch. which are ~not~ acceptable in crypto coad.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:36 asciilifeform: the closest runner-up contender was standard ml, but it demands a ~MB-sized runtime , and imposes gc , nobody is ever stuffing it into 32kB.
phf: i'm alive, i had a busy few weeks
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 23:36 asciilifeform: dour swedish 1980s industrial item, with a very brief ameri-renaissance in 2000s
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843300 << little known fact: slime's architecture was originally implemented in a similar project for erlang called distel, by the same author luke gorrie. lukego also wrote an emacs clone in erlang and tcp/ip stack in cmucl. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, a lot of people struck with the mumps here were in their 30s which suggests stretching the vaccine out may be a fairly common thing here
BingoBoingo: That hit a ton of people
mircea_popescu: the 2000s gutting is in http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/ ; don't ask about the 1900s gutting, it's too painful to think about
mircea_popescu: 20% to research, 80% to phrasing research results "in such a way as to not..."
mircea_popescu: "why should i make a correct tool when could just use this thing available next day for 9.95 ?"
mircea_popescu: the problem in the time of darwin, however, was a bunch of morons trying to persuade him of their wisdom.
mircea_popescu: the problem in the time of newton was a bunhc of morons wanting to "burn down the sorcery".
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 21:06 asciilifeform: for a laugh, look some time for spectrum analyzer on lulazon. will find 9000 'homeopathic' boxes for 'finding the cia mind control rays'.
mircea_popescu: (contemporaneously, it's probably more a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843230 ie, abundance of "comfort") ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this being yet another aspect of the problems of man alone. absent a fortress where to do it, he's stuck solving some kinds of problems in some kinds of ways only.
mircea_popescu: without a formal AND FORMALIZED republic it's fucking hard for people to handle the orc pressure
Mocky: in '99 I and 2 others wrote a web framework in java for use in our company's products, no such published thing was extant. shortly after someone else published identical item named 'struts', not stolen merely obvious solution. I then watched the published 'struts' turn into ever bigger piles of shit year over year and suffered job interviewers probing my knowledge of 'struts' and i think that quite colored my
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problems were 1. to determine the brachistochrone, and 2. to find a curve such that if any line drawn from a fixed point O cut it in P and Q then OP^n + OQ^n would be constant.
mircea_popescu: there was a problem circulated by the swiss circle of mathematicians, which he elegantly solved (anonymously). except they saw right through the anonymity, because doh, and begged him to select and publish the infinitesimal calculus method, lest someone else steals it.
mircea_popescu: so then : he, like you, also had "partial of code that I wrote *with* other intelligent people and partially of things that i just just wrote personally to simplify my own common tasks and found useful over a long period of time"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 15:41 mircea_popescu: "when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness, and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, newton was alchemist with strong religious notions WHO ALSO DID some math and published some physics observations. but AS A RESULT and FOR THE PURPOSE of his teological and alchemical studies.
Mocky: well ok then help me understand this: i have 'book of useful recipes' composed partial of code that I wrote *with* other intelligent people and partially of things that i just just wrote personally to simplify my own common tasks and found useful over a long period of time. is the latter portion 'man alone' ?
mircea_popescu: i'm making a rhetorical point, it doesn't survive so well minute analysis.
mircea_popescu: basically, "library" was used historically (up until the http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ moment, whenever that was -- thanks hilary!) as "a sort of primitive V tree, genesis and all".
mircea_popescu: Mocky this is the core of the discussion : if it's orthogonal then you're doing it wrong, and also using the wrong symbol. the fucking point of library is exactly exposure to intelligent feedback ; NOT "a substitute way of writing code allowing you to call from books"
asciilifeform: Mocky: 'library' as conceived of by the redditards is a fundamentally anti-intellectual activity.
Mocky: whether you expose yourself to inteligent feedback is orthogonal to if you make some code into a library, no?
mircea_popescu: i like how topics of conversation in #trilema are meta-stable, one can safely discuss whatever it is they were discussing without fear the convo will morph into completely unpredictable somethingelse within a dozen lines.
mircea_popescu: having somebody there who calls you a moron is unpleasant enough ; but not having them and by consequence not having any way to guess just how far off left field you slid... well... that's actually worse.
asciilifeform: not only 'errors accumulate', but in practice 'man alone' does not long drift, sooner or later drifts into one of the 9000+ intellectual mine fields and that's that, you get a new kanzure or graham or follower thereof etc
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to share libraries with thinking people so they can point out to you the obvious stupid. this is unrelated to the "you're not supposed to fucking call this as a function, you're supposed to read it as an algorithm, understant it, and implement it yourself"
mircea_popescu: Mocky no, that's a different concern. you familiar with the "people with needles" theory ?
BingoBoingo: In other channels, apparently the skull bird on penis branch made a cumback
mircea_popescu: back when someone last thought about this, "calling paradigm" wasn't even a problem, because you weren't supposed to fucking call it, you were supposed to READ it.
mircea_popescu: which is why the current "library" model has inherited the problem of interfacing : they're literally trying to call code from a book and it has problems
mircea_popescu: Mocky he has a point, "library" is oreilly-ism. before the free/open source struggle for power, it was rather a teaching tool.
Mocky: the deskilling goes hand in hand with proliferation of library-ism and github-ism. library in reality is the natural outcome of experienced practitioner isolating code that has no business freely mixing with other code. for use primarily by same person. but today the 99% see library as opaque boxes meant to pile up and put a little shit pile of new code on top
mircea_popescu: in reality, 298mn just wanna click on catpics, http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-317.0-317.109 style, while daydreaming a little daydream. that's all. so yeah, 99% should just stfu.
mircea_popescu: that nobody has any such thing is simply not a bit of banal obviousness these overexcited morons ever stopped to consider.
mircea_popescu: Mocky there's this naive 1990s humanism whereby "the average mankind" will "make an encyclopedia" and "usher in a renaissance" etc. there's this hallucinatory notion of a certain kind of hipster utopian mind, whereby "people need tools for their private projects".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 23:41 asciilifeform: generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.
mircea_popescu: the shittiness of the "average human" is a large driver of shit, in those who deign to consider it.
Mocky: stepanov strikes me as guy trying to do the right thing for a library to be used by millions of programs, while also being resigned to the shityness of c++ and of average developer
mod6: asciilifeform: he mentioned at some point later in the video that software had gotten to such a horrible point (totally correct on that; this is in 2002), that the goverment should step in and regulate all of these things.
mod6: It wasn't a waste of an hour and a half.
mod6: It was a pretty informative overview of the design of STL. Guy was pretty good, had some funny points. The government regulation part made me recoil a bit.
mod6: That's fine, gives us a chance to get my other question answered re wpmp. Just let us know. :]
mircea_popescu: gimme a day, she's in hot water over unrelated happenings atm.
BingoBoingo: In other mine finds, "Redactora Freelance" is a things n>=1 girl uses to describe her latina job
mod6: Whomever the user is, must also be in the wot as part of the script requires that the executor to enter in a password for the user, then PGP encrypting that temporary password to the user in the WoT.
mod6: Ok, so I think I can help with this here too -- as soon as we have an SSH key. There is a script to do at least the useradd part of this, which I can attempt to run with the given key.
mircea_popescu: mod6 can you spin me up a mp-wp instance on the shared item, see if we can counteract the illiterate part ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:43 asciilifeform: anyway erlang is imho only worth discussing as part of a larger pattern -- industry after industry independently discovered that c -- and its entire approach to logic -- is poison
asciilifeform: dour swedish 1980s industrial item, with a very brief ameri-renaissance in 2000s ☟︎
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want to compile every time a web hits
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was, believe , a u.s. army shitshow. and we had locking doors simply to separate the valuable gear from 'it dept'
mircea_popescu: it was an item continuously, since the days of chet tryina get 3 different shit packages to work by excruciating them on a wide wooden plank
mircea_popescu: then you're stuck maintaining a whole "it department", the idiotic airs of "superiority" by the dweebs involved y compris, because gotta interface all that junk.
mircea_popescu: and slides in under the "who'd pull a stink over 0.85%"