asciilifeform: they starve.

asciilifeform: beautifully depopulated , too, 0 crowds, 0 queues. sorta like a hypothetical bunenos aires after redditbagging complete.

asciilifeform: ( perhaps if one tried to set up there, would find out.. )

asciilifeform: whatever pantsuitocalypse had killed it in mircea_popescu's eyes, was not detectable to my instruments.

asciilifeform: it was a fuckin' valhalla ( admittedly, valhalla only while yer jacket pockets are fulla green )

asciilifeform: or ate food as edible. etc

asciilifeform: ( or smelled air as clean )

asciilifeform: i dun think i in entire life saw bldgs as sweet as the ones in timis.

asciilifeform: ( what the 'catch' is , iirc was discussed in the l0gz )

asciilifeform: and , for all i know, would buy a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743464 ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for comparison : 100k in ye olde ro buys any of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743485 ☝︎

asciilifeform: amberglint: gc without tagged words is a lol

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then it's straight miami 'I AM WORTH!' delusionism, i guess

asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg ☟︎

asciilifeform: went nowhere

asciilifeform: amberglint: even sun flirted with iron gc, in '90s

asciilifeform: still riotous

asciilifeform: i bet they get tax writeoff for 'not sold or rented it this yr, just like last 20 yrs' like ameritards get

asciilifeform: even if cut it in half.

asciilifeform: and that's a washington price. these people have fucked heads.

asciilifeform: prolly trashed ?

asciilifeform: wai no inside pics

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw we definitely walked past that.

asciilifeform: or those horrid 3 variant of thorn the arabs have.

asciilifeform: sorta how the hindu glottal 'd' isn't to us.

asciilifeform: it aint phonemic to'em.

asciilifeform: not in any sense.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they aint got a 'r'.

asciilifeform: by the time someone reverses, they change it, and force the idjit users to 'upgrade' ☟︎

asciilifeform: it's a moving target, elementarily

asciilifeform: amberglint: not only not afaik; but even ~microshit word doc~ format not fully reversed yet.

asciilifeform: i , for instance, dun have with what to launch car into mars. mircea_popescu -- has with what, but is smart enuff not to.

asciilifeform: there's arguably 2 separate problems at hand : 1) how to bake an ic such that it's an actual economic proposition, rather than resembling that car e. musk launched to mars 2) to get it done by someone other than malicious winshit-idiots . both -- currently open problems.

asciilifeform: but we currently have 0 penetration into cn, so i've nothing to add to this yet

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's hypothesis was that the whole thing is an 'idiot tax' for people who don't know how to get'em made in cn

asciilifeform not tried, and not about to pay 1000 $ ea. for ~unpackaged~ may-or-may-not-work dies

asciilifeform: claims, at least.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865751 << see also ☝︎

asciilifeform: + they charge weight in diamonds, per die.

asciilifeform: there was a french one also, similar.

asciilifeform: approx same thing.

asciilifeform: ^ see also

asciilifeform: !#s mosis

asciilifeform: ( at 'modern' micronicities, fab process is no longer standard but custom to the chem, and entirely diff at each fab house. hence the proprietary tooling crapolade. )

asciilifeform: concern appears to be 'But Our Seekrit Process Chem!1111'

asciilifeform: but for some reason no ic fab does.

asciilifeform: pcb fabs, much more pedestrian affair, are run sanely, they eat PNGs and text file of coords/rotations for placer robot.

asciilifeform: whole biz is rotten from head to feet.

asciilifeform: as cadence crapola

asciilifeform: last yr ( and before ) i talked to a coupla ic fabs, in various countries. they all not only run winshit but demand that you use their 'standard cells', which available (surprise?) under nda

asciilifeform: on, i'll add, imported intels.

asciilifeform: on mswin.

asciilifeform: indeed they do

asciilifeform: what kind of sense does ~that~ make.

asciilifeform: ( it does )

asciilifeform: why not ask why mcst makes pentium clone. to run winblowz on.

asciilifeform: !!up amberglint

asciilifeform: 'sovereignty'

asciilifeform: 'elbrus' can get in dreams only.

asciilifeform: intel is rubbish, but at least i can go to junkyard and get it.

asciilifeform: as it is, they've copied ALL of the ameri-idiocies, incl. 'closed errything'

asciilifeform: wake me up when they make a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865375 , + open docs like http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html ☝︎

asciilifeform: well i dun work there , lol , so cannot say whether he does or no. but still funny.

asciilifeform: i dun think any plebe has laid hands on the thing or ever will

asciilifeform: prolly satire

asciilifeform: i.e. == 'can butcher loch ness monster ? can make sausage?'

asciilifeform: lol 'can overclock elbrus ?'

asciilifeform: some meathead minister signed off on it, and guesswat, it's Official textbook nao! in some shithole

asciilifeform: i have a b00k like that here, 'учебное пособие по криптографии' somthing or other. which fails to contain rsa.

asciilifeform: but ofcourse.

asciilifeform: they seem to be heavily fucked in the head. ☟︎

asciilifeform: what the fuck is wrong with these people.

asciilifeform: wtf

asciilifeform: pretty odd thing, has bus timings etc but indeed no instr set.

asciilifeform: reads more like commercial brochure.

asciilifeform: mega-textbook, with no instr set, lol

asciilifeform: ( then they went and ~licensed~ american mips. and i stopped wanting to buy. i can buy mips already )

asciilifeform: no canhaz.

asciilifeform: i've been trying to buy a 'loongson' for 5+yrs nao.

asciilifeform: 100% for internal use.

asciilifeform: rather like elbrus.

asciilifeform: none of the chinese archs, interestingly, available commercially either

asciilifeform: ... and microcode was documented, os writer could add new instrs

asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~ ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( after which nomoar dec alpha )

asciilifeform: and arm64 by hired-away DEC alpha folx

asciilifeform: nomoar borland.

asciilifeform: famously sent limousine to pick them ALL up on same evening

asciilifeform: amberglint: recall how microshit hired away entire staff of borland ?

asciilifeform: aka 'the itanic'

asciilifeform: in fact looks like itanium.

asciilifeform: same reason the video card crapolas are closed source

asciilifeform: its under nda cuz it's dead-certainly a crude ripoff of existing ameri-trash

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform and then mircea_popescu variously attempted to buy , 0 to show for it )

asciilifeform: neither seems to exist on commercial markets anywhere

asciilifeform: there's 2 , 1 clone of 'itanic', 1 of sparc iirc

asciilifeform: current one is a 'sparc'

asciilifeform: 1972.

asciilifeform: old elbrus

asciilifeform: possibly not 1 actual native designer left alive.