asciilifeform: as for the quoted d00d, who '.org -> .tex -> .pdf', dollars to doughnuts he's an academic and chained to that oar.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform tried 'orgmode' at length, decade ago, but didn't like, found that it does ~90% of what i needed, and the remaining 10% felt like same amt of work as simply using plain txt files + grep entirely. )
asciilifeform: loox like he was quoting some rando's use case. himself, he uses it to write .txt for the blog.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where did the orgmode d00d discuss pdfism ?
asciilifeform: i can't think of what to possibly add to it.
asciilifeform: it's essentially replay of ye olde 'do not build own jail inside yer head' thread.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i happen to know that the 'mit tyranny' consisted of standard patent agreement. which some folx 'ohnoezed' and 'preemptively' bowed over, and others -- simply raped, and laughed all the way to bank.
asciilifeform: and observe that asciilifeform is somehow able to discuss this point without 'ohnoez, but what if x,y,z read the log!'
asciilifeform: this is much broader item than simply in re bolixism thread.
asciilifeform: it's 1 thing if yer stierlitz and sign whatever 'seekrecy agreements' with the reich so as to then have what to radio back to stalin, laughing all the way. it's quite another if yer actually infected and start taking the 'promises' to reich seriously.
asciilifeform: ( and even if ~won't eat bone~ -- in asciilifeform's eyes, it is far better to take bloody irons apart ion by ion for 20yrs than to get commented sores at the cost of selling soul )
asciilifeform: i realize this aint news to mircea_popescu , but gotta put in the l0gz for all the folx who aint 10,000 y.o. olympians
asciilifeform: old folx want to 'feel relevant'. if you throw'em this bone by preemptively 'promising to seekrit', they'll eat it up. if you throw different bone, will also eat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's where that train stops, yes.
asciilifeform: it's an exact replay of the alchemists.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to add moar weird to the story, last night dks actually answered, with 'i'ma dig for some PAL stuff, will write back after newyear'. old man simply moves slowly. ( and notice that i did not have to swear masonic oath to him !111 )
asciilifeform: the ancients warned re 'serving two masters', neh.
asciilifeform: lol mircea_popescu wins at rereads, asciilifeform only went 4 !
asciilifeform: folx really really oughta have reasonably unique names imho
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882427 << most damning sin of the 'irreal' fella is.. failing to come up with a unique handle. the shithub by that name has 0 to do with the linked blog, it's fulla microshit and 0 emacsism☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: what can mother do ? 'i have hole in overcoat, mother fix?' 'sure'
asciilifeform: generations that get unplugged from sense, aha
asciilifeform: in unrelated (but not entirely) noose, uncrated chinese macro lens, and it aint halfbad
asciilifeform: ( imho it is not given to have 2 mircea_popescu's, the gods dun have enuff juice to plug'em in 2 at a time )
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were wolverine, and i were mircea_popescu , there'd be, lol, same thread...
asciilifeform: the one where 'well if ~you~ were nasreddin and ~i~ were the king, then it'd be you standing in front of me' etc
asciilifeform: how did that old hajja nasredin parable go ?
asciilifeform: and i long ago gave up to expect any help from anybody in the matter. thrd where asciilifeform annoyed, is specifically re 'promised, promised, and 0 deliver', which i think is a situation mircea_popescu can relate to in own head
asciilifeform: that's simply how beelzebub made him.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform on other hand would rather dig for troy than sex.
asciilifeform: 'troy, what troy, it's myth and it it were any good for anyffing it'd still be standing' etc
asciilifeform: it is 100% reasonable from his pov, he did not dig for 11y.
asciilifeform: i dun have any quibble with mircea_popescu's unpersuadedness.
asciilifeform: ( i actually have an example of a decayed 1, elsewhere )
asciilifeform: the 1 possible annoyance is that unlike old troy, these baubles dun last 4evah, e.g. rated life of eprom is ~40y
asciilifeform: next asciilifeform can convince next mircea_popescu that there was a troy in the dirt.
asciilifeform: if i build ~case~, and then piano falls on me, that'll be enuff .
asciilifeform: not even to rebuild old irons, as such.
asciilifeform: sorta the thrust of asciilifeform's 11 yrs of archaeology -- to at least build case.
asciilifeform: i'm under 0 illusion that i have a case built that's mircea_popescu-grade convincing.
asciilifeform: y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe'☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i aint presumptious enuff to suppose that i can re-create 'all of it + some + hookers & poker' without dig of orig.
asciilifeform: ic design chain that fit in 20kloc. etc.
asciilifeform: the 1 and only ~sane comp built to date.
asciilifeform: and i appreciate that mircea_popescu knows how to approach subj abstractly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun demand that the deaf understand, somehow, music. observe that mircea_popescu dun care for bolix, and i equally duncare for bondage&discipline, yet we still find what to constructively say to one another on occasion.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882279 << this is 1 reason why the discussion is moar than about a piece of pot shard from archaeo-dig . does phf trust asciilifeform's oath as a lord ? if not, really he oughta update rating of asciilifeform ! and if yes, then i dun see why to dangle 'next week, next week' in front of asciilifeform for yr+ and never show any dirt, large, small.☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: thus far seems to resemble more the conflict over the alien crud depicted in 'roadside picnic'
asciilifeform: btw i'm mildly astonished that nobody, not even mircea_popescu , put in argument 'what makes you, dirty monkey, think that you can re-create radio'
asciilifeform: but i'ma also not rehash thread, i suspect mircea_popescu is immune to argument re subj
asciilifeform: dead geologist in taiga , with working radio, is much farther from monkey than the live chukcha who found corpse.
asciilifeform: it's the 1 example of the fucking spaceheaters , in whole history of that pseudo-field, that wasn't built by monkeys.
asciilifeform: from my pov, if you 'interest in comp' and aint a bolixologist, yer breathing air in vain
asciilifeform: phf: mircea_popescu and asciilifeform appearently differ on this pt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, phf i'ma leave thread alone for today and give folx time to cool .
asciilifeform: if you ~sit~ on the intel, it's wankery.
asciilifeform: which means yes, working with yet-other people who shoot from hip and have baked fpga.
asciilifeform: talking-to-people is a+++, if you ~use~ the intel
asciilifeform: and thereby beats the shit out of the folx who published nothing ! is this controversial ?
asciilifeform: phf: i dun make tall claim of success for mine. but it ~published something~
asciilifeform: trinque: believe or not, we got along pretty well in meat, the 1 time met.
asciilifeform: to date, the 2nd has produced nothing public. asciilifeform at least posted highres board, which was afaik first (!) ever on the net where you can at least read the fucking ic labels.
asciilifeform: the other, is the one where folx sit around and try to sweet-talk the koscheis sitting on the tapes, to take pity and maybe release something 'orderly way'
