asciilifeform: pilot will readily concede that much of what he knows is trained like a dog is trained
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, we always had separate words for these.
asciilifeform: that type of training is referred to as 'дрессировка'
asciilifeform: in the latter, a тренер is the fellow who helps an athlete get.. more athletic. in english world, 'training' is done to dogs and cubicle dwellers
asciilifeform: incidentally, the word 'trained' - i found - means something quite else to english speakers than for folks from the sov blok
asciilifeform: if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter)
asciilifeform: if 'trained' is what one can do with a parrot - then, no, intelligence is something quite else
asciilifeform: considering the fact that no such item has been built, or, afaik, discussed, other than here by yours truly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this with one of your pets. tell her 'waveguide motor' and see if she is able to draw one that could, in principle, function. or at least say what such a thing would be.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. trainable, because kindergarten homework.
asciilifeform: if this is a 'muscle' that can be 'well trained' - this is not a 'margarine', but a 'real butter'. idempotent.
asciilifeform: the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it.
asciilifeform: not sure what, if anything, i might be surprised by (on this subject) if my bubble were larger.
asciilifeform: actually, this is almost a fundamental question. like 'sexual orientation.' how many 'iq' points below yours (for a particular fellow) does 'zoophilia' begin ?
asciilifeform: is cockroach 'evil' or 'stupid'? how about plague ?
asciilifeform: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid << is the desire of homo redditicus to be 'relevant!1!!' - at any and all cost to his betters - 'evil' or 'stupid' ? and how does the difference matter?
asciilifeform: there IS a differece << academic to the fellow sitting on the stake.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funny thing is, nyc probably sees the equivalent of five or six 'good riot' every night. just, not all in one street.
asciilifeform: (allowing also the possibility of copies residing in ru, cn vaults. but notice - their security, in that case, also - by inference - works.)
asciilifeform: the hole was not a secret (not for long, anyway). but anyone of any note, who believed 'his lying eyes' and spoke out in public - is now written out of the script.
asciilifeform: ^ prime example of 'fda grade-A' crank bait.
asciilifeform: at least with him, a good bit of material survived
asciilifeform: sorta like trying to get a sense of the lesser-known work of n. tesla.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'baghdad battery' is an example of a subject that is virtually impossible to research on the net - on account of it being a favourite of ten thousand kinds of prolix idiot, and consequently shunned by most thinking folks
