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mircea_popescu: if not, then you still have thew present situation.
mircea_popescu: yes. if it increases the tx mining standard to the point it's = the block mining standard, you coupled issuance and expense.
asciilifeform: in order to be eligible to be mined into a block.
asciilifeform: say a tx gotta carry proof of work.
mircea_popescu: currently, blocks issue money and txn spend money. and their decoupling, having nodes "mined" to a hard standard while txn are ALSO mined to a much weaker standard, is sensible.
asciilifeform: ( i can picture that people wishing to 'be bank' will bid up the cost of txing, by pushing up difficulty. but the wotronic answer -- limit access to nodes to 'subscribers' -- also threatens to re-create banks, neh ? )
mircea_popescu: this is a truth of the same level of, "a ship needn't carry a shipyard"
mircea_popescu: the function of spending money can not be equal to, and has to be decoupoled from, the function of issuing money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just to make it absolutely clear, i don't see a long-term future for satoshi's turd. all of my work on trb is to be regarded in same light as the neutron-absorbing armour on 1970s sov tanks -- something with which to prolong the life of the crew ~slightly~ so that it can drive over freshly-nuked ground and last a few hours of shootout.
mircea_popescu: please don't tell me you aim to reimplement jfs in btc ;/ way the fuck cheaper to just use one.
mircea_popescu: us and mexico both aimed to supplant the silver standard coin of china.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the piece needn't be found as such. a large portion of the us-mexico conflict of the 1980s was over silver. which was good money in china.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would have to have some equivalent of fs journal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is the dirty reads. if you queue the writes what do you do with the reads ?
asciilifeform: ^ can anyone find this piece ? or it evaporated.
asciilifeform: (speaking of proofofwork -- iirc szabo had a lulzy piece about two tribes of northwest-american indians who traded sea shells that were too abundant in each tribe's section of the coast to use as proofofwork, to the other, where they were usable )
asciilifeform: there are two known solutions to 'allcomers problem' -- proof-of-work; and limited-access (wotronic). tertium ~probably~ non datur.
asciilifeform: needless to say this would be riotously bad idea if pools remain possible (they must - protocolically - die.)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
asciilifeform: ( one possible way to cut the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 knot -- ~everybody~ is a txer, miner, and node ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-14 17:42 mircea_popescu: unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem)
asciilifeform: to revisit much further upstack, to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-14#1018732 ( via mircea_popescu's latest article ) -- consider a 'trb-i' where a tx carries proof of work, and is likewise mined as is the block ☝︎
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack: mircea_popescu can you think of any reason not to queue the writes ?
mircea_popescu: and in a few years they'd be happy to have one random middle class indian shot in kansas. and so on. "the general public" fills the available crevices, no more.
mircea_popescu: "radicalized" progressives ? hurr durr. they'd be HAPPY to have reaganomics now.
mircea_popescu: and this my dear chitlins is how "overton window" works.
mircea_popescu: aha. suddenly they would swallow any dick, just as long as it's not trump.
asciilifeform: look who they dusted off.
asciilifeform: 'George W. Bush on Trump's Ties to Russia: 'We All Need Answers''
mircea_popescu: yeah the 20% figure is more of a sort of "ideal case" ; it can climb to 50% or more like that ^
asciilifeform: in other lulz, we still see 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 673809ms; db write wait: 397971ms; db read wait: 64890ms' (block 454992) and 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 456196ms; db write wait: 179701ms; db read wait: 16621ms' (454993) . enemy's strategy is quite trivial, thrash the cache.
mircea_popescu: but no, it's exactly like the charter of a Совет Экономической Взаимопомощи.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that 'agreement' is brain-melting
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/clockwise/ << Trilema - Clockwise
mircea_popescu: which is the substantiation for the 70bn yet figure i quoted.
asciilifeform: ( or to have been one any time in past year )
asciilifeform: fwiw 138.107.206.73 does not appear to be a btc node
mircea_popescu: they don't really exist, unless you're a part of the japanese national wot, which...
asciilifeform: ( how did the d00d siphon moneys to usg ? how was this later turned into 'whistleblow' ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 12:30 mircea_popescu: (story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619009 << i'd much like to hear the details of this, if they exist somewhere. because the Official version makes 0 sense ☝︎
asciilifeform: (i really oughta say 'verify and save', rather than verify)
asciilifeform: however the one solid clue i have so far is 'disk' -- on the ssd box, a block packed to the bursting point with liquishit, takes ~15 seconds to verify. max.
asciilifeform: gprof is the divinely ordained proper way to do this. however will need a bad old dynamic linking build. so will take some work.
mircea_popescu: because then we could compare something meaningful : the relative compositions of the non-cache waste.
mircea_popescu: finding what makes the remainder, however, very valuable.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me, that it does. the typical verification time is ~same
mircea_popescu: what'd it establish, wehther the cache helps ? it certainly does.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that i do not have 2 identical boxes to run the cache/no-cache variant on, in parallel
asciilifeform: often much less, when we have the 4GB cache
mircea_popescu: seems the db write/read wait counts for ~20% of total time ?
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache.txt << the cache thing, to current time ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf i am not surprised, it's pretty jarring as far as these get.
mircea_popescu: "this is what subhuman females look like in their natural habitat, the jungle". wtf, europe went to congo to fix this, not to normalize it.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619011 << front page story in indian newspapers for past three days ☝︎
mircea_popescu: what fucking diversity, they're all the same cow.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck is holywood half-black and all fatty, and how the fuck does it expect to hang on to any kind of relevancy in this manner ? bollywood has better women.
mircea_popescu: https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ap_17058207841866-e1488176685278.jpg << holy shit look at that, every single one of them IS FUCKING FAT omfg wtf.
mircea_popescu: (story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6 ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N1FU2BY?type=companyNews << and, obviously, their interlocking bank is ditching them.
mircea_popescu: dude, they fucking gutted them. olympus agreed to pay the usg ~70 billion yen in fines, and install obama's children as an "independent outside monitor". whole corp market cap being you know, 1.3trn or some shit. who the fuck pays 5% of the market cap as a fine already, what is this, Совет Экономической Взаимопомощи ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "As you may be aware, Olympus Corporation of the Americas (OCA) recently entered into civil, criminal, and administrative settlements with the United States in connection with the sales and marketing of certain OCA products. This letter provides you with additional information about the settlements, explains OCA’s commitments going forward, and provides you with access to information about those commitments."
mircea_popescu: actually... the local branch of olympus, the lens makers.
mircea_popescu: trinque if it helps, the last that i see on the path to you is 38.104.87.131 (joe's datacenter). 104.192.170.197 is also allocated to them. 138.107.206.73 however does not, it's "olympus corporation" of kiminobu eto, takuro watabe & toru yamaki whatever japanese company. why's that in there.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 02:58 trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcIWx/?raw=true << behold the wtf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1618983 << it must be a bit of an ego boost when one's like... shown things, on a service which has their name in the url lel. ☝︎
phf: i couldn't get past title. "ten tricks international oil conglomerates that run everything hate"
trinque: bizarre. "no, we really don't think this company which extracts what ~everything runs on~ is as valuable as ... pick your non-essential toy company"
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html << interesting alf, thanks for posting.
trinque: I have no idea, really, which is always the worst answer
trinque: so routing table's entirely normal
trinque: eh the test.test.local was just me leaving turds in /etc/hosts
trinque: no weird connections or anything (not that anybody competent would leave those to find)
trinque: same routing table upon reboot, so I guess it's normal for their network
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcIWx/?raw=true << behold the wtf ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i'll just keep mashing buttons not hooked up to anything, like an ape
trinque: there's a lot of weirdo shit in the routing table right now
ben_vulpes: join, part, /me thinks cool!
trinque: I'm into the box; give me a while to actually figure out what happened
ben_vulpes: didn't see the final part
trinque: well the bot's gone; how would that work
ben_vulpes: !!reputation trinque
trinque: host already emailed me back; they're superb
trinque: fail2ban would not have done anything to port 80
trinque: possible the host fucked up inbound routing
trinque: which is on the same box.
trinque: I'm obviously going to tell them *not* to reboot
asciilifeform: trinque: do they have remote-kvm ?
trinque: looks like my daily backups stopped last night (via ssh tunnel)
trinque: I'm checking in with the host
trinque: PSA that as of now I cannot access the box hosting deedbot via SSH.
asciilifeform: possibly best thing i ever saw in a cinema.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform saw a turkish film about the cats of istanbul
shinohai: Nah they are knitting dogecoin socks for themselves (the homeless) on their sub now
asciilifeform: i'dvethunk they'dve been danced out by nao
shinohai: And yes, they are all dancing in the street for nickels now their meme coin is basically no moar
shinohai: I adore that particular Trilema article
mircea_popescu: well, not really actual anything, that'd take actual existence. more in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#selection-265.0-265
mircea_popescu: i think it's more in the vein of out and out pederasty.
asciilifeform: or at the very least 'harmless heatsink' in the off chance people appear.