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mircea_popescu: "1MB doesn't can't even keep up with existing non-retail payment networks.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:59 runsegshet: TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, the price hasn't changed in ~decade )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly i wasn't alive for c1, missed out on the freakshow
asciilifeform: i can't recall him from before
mircea_popescu: aha! isn't it funny who's talking, and what they're talking about ?
mircea_popescu: coinmarketcap site lists "bch/krw" pairs, but if you use its own god damned "search currencies" item, it doesn't know what krw even is.
mircea_popescu: so fucking totally not a case of "here's my website, i write numbers into it" you wouldn't believe.
mircea_popescu is not entirely convinced the ~implementation~ of segwit as executed by the power rangers will even work. because that's what they do, it woul;dn't be the first time. or the second. it'd be like the 5th time, which is how many soft forks they did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i deliberately didn't want to make any assumptions. "black box" if you prefer.
asciilifeform: it ain't 'to black hole', it's an 'anyonecanspend'
mircea_popescu: at time t in tx 1 address 1a gets coin chunk.
mircea_popescu: you can't "unwind" upstream of a blockchain tx.
mircea_popescu: people who write checks instead of paying cash don't automatically expect their mom note be accepted by merchants. why would these ?
mircea_popescu: and let power rangers add the warnings, "our altcoin isn't universally accepted, always make sure and ask"
PeterL: well, on entropy poor machine it would be slow, wouldn't it?
mircea_popescu: "didn't not do it"
asciilifeform: PeterL: the 'cryptography komyoonity' derps didn't do it 'because slow', but because entropy-poor machine
mircea_popescu: doesn't sound too good.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702832 <- aha; trouble is that people are scared of the "cost" and like any scare it is way bigger than the actual real thing; as previously mentioned I really don't see this "I can hold bitcoin without knowing /getting dirty with it" thing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cut apart one such ledger nano, so dunno
mircea_popescu: the one's we've seen weren't.
mircea_popescu: linux isn't much better, practically. but there's a difference in kind, you could in principle have a secure linux machine, even if most people don't bother to. whereas the secure windows machine is a myth, like the happy feminist.
runsegshet: TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i still can't quite figure out why sram costs what it does
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ain't putting it into production yet. just sits there on hdd, lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aren't you doing too many things at once ?
mircea_popescu: take the item this line is written on -- it doesn't fucking need dram. in fact, it could be a 386.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of "smart shit we don't bother to mention because everyone knows" sorta thing. this is also how/why the inept noobs that get silenced do : not worth talkingt to.
asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. ) ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, hashes are by definition unreversable, and they no longer propagate transactions. so i wouldn't know your transaction from adams' or "your" pile of nonsense from another's.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702779 << core hasn't yet hardforked from trb. their "segwit" thing is a "soft fork". basically they intend to make everyone's transactions be blockchain messages instead of actual transactions. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:03 runsegshet: I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe?
mircea_popescu: just don't accept "segwit" payments, and don't use their scamware, you'll be fine.
diana_coman: and while you are still around: register a key here because otherwise nobody will spend more time with some random nick that can't be in any way assigned to any sort of "you" at all
runsegshet: I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 17:50 trinque: hm, several minutes of lag from me to freenode atm. mitm dept didn't pay their aws bill?
mircea_popescu: as per usual, following laws doesn't pay.
ppsk: I was surprised you hadn't written something regarding the whole bitcoin cash debacle
ppsk: just wanted to say I've really enjoyed reading your blog, i can't remember how i first stumbled across it but its been one of the better collection of writings on the internet
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".
mircea_popescu: sour grape general, "oh we weren't aiming to conquer leningrad, we were just here for a stroll"
asciilifeform: ain't that rather like observing that the stasi never made a breakthrough in audio tape tech ?
mircea_popescu: no you don't understand, they have an ad-hoc, informally specified, bug ridden reimplementation of microsoft access. XKEYSCORE!!!!
asciilifeform: of course happens. hence the push for 'tap all lines all the time, petabyte of liquishit lives in db warehouse the size of nyc' etc -- cheaper than trying to make a corps of agents who won't smoke break while tapping
trinque: hm, several minutes of lag from me to freenode atm. mitm dept didn't pay their aws bill? ☟︎
whaack: I just don't see how footnote 2 mentions the point of the btc difficulty decreasing while the miners are away from the main chain, even if it does allude to it by showing that holding the btc miner for an extended period of time doesn't help (b.c. of the fact that while the miners are away from the main chain their difficulty is decreasing)
BingoBoingo: How do you know if they have BTC to prop up? Wouldn't be the first time the insolvent lied.
whaack: well you don't get stuck without a block, but you get 2016 very quick blocks (that the turkey dollars club must have btc to prop up) and then 12h or w/e without a block
BingoBoingo: lol, seems like someone doesn't know how the Altcoin problem works http://qntra.net/2017/07/a-quick-faq-about-the-not-bitcoin-fork-bitcoin-cash/#comment-108317
asciilifeform: ( if someone has idea for a useful alteration that doesn't requite 1000s loc, plox to write in. )
ben_vulpes: you mean it wasn't all whining and pleases and you shoulds the first time through?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hey if everything can't be free, maybe we can guilt whitey into giving us their houses and inheritances
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it was one of those "please to submit your version details" so... i did. can't recall if i actually clicked the "emergent consensus" button seriously or in jest, or if it was something that the hosts ticked, but it was definitely a test to see if they'd keep it up or not. looks like they have.
BingoBoingo: <whaack> so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines? << A node is not a wallet, doesn't hurt to spread a few around.
ben_vulpes: and recommendation ssd; although spinning rust not impossibru to get by with it ain't long for this world.
ben_vulpes: and totally aren't saboteurs either!
whaack: so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines?
trinque: mircea_popescu: can't connect to deedbot's node eh?
spyked: mircea_popescu, ACK. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lavNS/?raw=true (hope this works, haven't done in a while)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 16:04 spyked: loaded (because I don't use this day-to-day), I must consult these items in great detail. my guess here is that once I have spent all the time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701957 << no, his objection actually is "tls ingredient sucks and recipe sucks whereas noise is not a recipe and it doesn't have ingredients". he is correclty rejecting what, contrary to elaborately crafted appearance, is a null cipher. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701949 << very much a standard in the proper sense. standard should specify what must be specified, and NOT specifiy what needn't be specified. which is why all tmsr standards, or at least the ones i wrote, have this very prominent characteristic. "do it whichever way you do it". connects straight up with ye olde specificity of diddling. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 15:34 valentinbuza: don't know. ask Trevor Perrin, maybe he thought of creating all the possible recipes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701928 << yes, yes, but ~why~ does he think in that manner ? and why isn't he here ? and how are these two failures of his related ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (no, i don't just mean reddit pick-up artistry. anglican church same exact thing.)
mircea_popescu: some kids who couldn't get laid got together and created... a framework for... other people getting laid.
mircea_popescu: socialism is 100% a 12yo girl noticing the other girl has tits and she doesn't. that's where socialism is born, in the 7th grade class.
mircea_popescu: again, because man, and because don't owe anyone anything.
asciilifeform: r0nin-: if you don't borrow, your interest rate is 0
mircea_popescu: i don't need to impress him.
mircea_popescu: because why, because i gotta spend money i don't have on suits i can't afford to impress r0nin- ?
mircea_popescu: r0nin- farm doesn't HAVE to increase output. if the sconto rate is too high, i will simply sell an extra egg and invest.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- absolutely not. money didn't fail.
mircea_popescu: i don't care how. this isn't explainy hour. the cooperation of the fucker-upper is neither sought nor required.
ben_vulpes: wasn't that the premise of 'austerity'?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, in the 70s. it ain't the 70s anymore.
asciilifeform: dun burn, dun melt, dirt won't stick
mircea_popescu: r0nin- don't tell me you got fresh reading recommendations ?
asciilifeform: i can't fathom how anybody uses it
mircea_popescu: can't keep pages open.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701900 << ehehe ain't that the truth. ☝︎
asciilifeform: point remains, it is the Wrong Thing to use flippable registers to store bits that ain't EVER supposed to flip.
asciilifeform: ( old blox ain't ever gonna change )
asciilifeform: cheap ( 'sandisk' and a few others ) actually become unreadable, the controller decides to shit itself when it can't find writable blocks
mircea_popescu: but yes, the principle is correct : make raid out of same items, then a few months in change one. though it doesn't need to be changed. then use THAT in the next raid you build.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care. it's a simple "come see whether you are good enough to seep people into your company or lose all your brain power to our better model".
asciilifeform: well today there ain't any british at all, only 'airstrip one'
valentinbuza: 'time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place.' << my guess is not, but I don't think we have a conclusion on this with a sample of 2 points
spyked: loaded (because I don't use this day-to-day), I must consult these items in great detail. my guess here is that once I have spent all the time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place. ☟︎
valentinbuza: i don't find the word 'standard' in the description or in the spec. it's not a standard and should not be seen as one
valentinbuza: also "massive pile of moving parts" << not even close to TLS. as for your other questions i can't really answer.
valentinbuza: don't know. ask Trevor Perrin, maybe he thought of creating all the possible recipes ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:31 asciilifeform: i don't much like the phrase 'trusted nodes', when you connect to trb node, you get plaintext tcp, and 0 guarantees re who or what you're actually talking to.
mod6: I don't think these belong permanently in the SoBA each month. It would be probably a good idea for individuals who own these nodes to sign their Node IP and send that to the btc-dev mailing list. However, I seem to recall some resistance to that.
asciilifeform: if you don't do this -- you are very likely to have all N die at once, on same day.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701819 << ~actual~ - i.e. ~hardware~ raid -- ain't cheap, even the controller, and mobo with actual slots, for it to sit down in, each cost more than all of zoolag ! ☝︎