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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you dollars to anything that the reason you don't get deluged in that is simply that moist folks are too interdicted by the task to even attempt, soi we don't hear about 99% of compat issues
mircea_popescu: i swear this is a problem that's structural and should be solved, rather than just pushed against.
mircea_popescu: no, if you look at the history with open eyes it's quite clear we had this problem on back for a while now.
mircea_popescu: i don't even fully understand wtf hole we're filing. tho i think i understand a lot better right now than 3 hours ago.
mircea_popescu: atm we're veering dangerously close to the old -dev process, where they just shat magic stones.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to it : in ordere to ever reach 0 kelvin, you must use at least some elements that provably reduce temperature.
mircea_popescu: if you design your thing like reproduction works, do not be surprised.
mircea_popescu: reproduction is the work of man, and reproduction has TO DATE taken over 2 million strokes. today.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i never objected to folks using 'git', 'mercurial', etc. - only to the notion that <
mircea_popescu: looky here : i am a magical witch doctor that can spot where cancer starts.
mircea_popescu: suppose you can't read at the pace new ones get added.
mircea_popescu: you go to the ML, and lo, there's 1`677`321 messages in there.
mircea_popescu: suppose you come back in 2025. suppose we've been living and thriving though this time.
mircea_popescu: ok, gefuxexperiment. suppose you get hit in the head, and go into a coma.
mircea_popescu: can we just design the thing, if for no other reason then for the exercise, and then see what already exists and if we like it ?
mircea_popescu: so basically, help me out here. this should be a website which maintains a code tree and a signature tree ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea here is specifically that we want you to be in a position where the plane and chalkboard perspective doesn't loom.
mircea_popescu: in fact, "still working" a week later is its own precious sort of failure, srsly.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell hanbot so is the node up ? where ? is there a recipe-from-own-eyes somewhere ? where ?
mircea_popescu: and hanbot must also be able to evaluate the theoretical advances in question., inseparable.
mircea_popescu: hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces <
mircea_popescu: when you have a phd assembly line, the problem is not "insufficient phds"
mircea_popescu: the stator saving of the continuity feeling was too narrow for my liking.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but just as the saying goes, past performance is no guarantee of future success. that we readily crushed the "omai, bigger blocks" initiative, like all "initiatives" to date does not offer any guarantee we'll manage next time.
mircea_popescu: stalin despised the peasant, and the usg despises the scum we despise, equally if not moreso.
mircea_popescu: what do you think all this "software for the people" kick is ?
mircea_popescu: but in any case, a purely M wot will eventually fail, no matter how effectual or powerful it is (and it is, ftr, factually) on the financial side
mircea_popescu: the reason this was possible is fortunately very easy to fix, once we understood what the hole was.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, because it failed to even conceptualize the M part, let alone address it, it remained open to attack which the us first probed (with its corporate tentacles, ms etc) and then crushed, with its agency teeth.
mircea_popescu: this is ultimately why foss failed. yes, it did (sort of, but originally much better than currently) allow the U seating part.
mircea_popescu: this "choose your own giant" system is definitely powerful enough to take over the world, but we still gotta figure out a way to allow such seating.
mircea_popescu: and returning to the issue, the good quality recipes are exactly equivalent to the "wot of patches" management technique : they allow people to ride on the shoulders of giants ~of their own choice~.
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, approaching the matter conversely, a straight github repository would be just fine from the M perspective if it were doubled by duly deedbotted hashes of the plaintext. and on the other hand, irrespectively how inscrutable -r content would be just fine from a U perspective, just as long as someone can somehow convert it into a plaintext they can sit down with, follow, and never be surprised.
mircea_popescu: this is not practicable, if for no other reason then because the very earth will end up growing a beard and that'll be bad for the climate.
mircea_popescu: i am perfectly aware that a fine answer to both these is "just grow a beard", which is to say, "know", knight style, just "what is going on" so that you can reboot the machine into a working state. and "know", mp style, just whop the moles are.
mircea_popescu: the other is MANAGE. specifically - hanbot must also be able to evaluate the theoretical advances in question.
mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: there are very specifically TWO things we want to do here, and they are not miscible.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i suspect we might be belabouring under the burdens imposed by a design problem which ultimately stems from conceptual confusion.
mircea_popescu: the only kingdom of heaven accessible to earthlinks is fucking reading and signing patches. don't want it, fine, but don't get fucking existential on me on your deathbed about how you wasted your life. yes, you have. shoulda not have.
mircea_popescu: there is NOTHING else. anything where you spend your time for any other purpose is either a) masturbation, ie, the xtian "building castles on sand". whether you spend time with your kid or groom your beard or fuck the woman, it's all sensata. or else b) uranium mines.
mircea_popescu: not how it works. it has A LOT of upside and virtually no downside. what ELSE are you going to do with that "money" if you don't go to the market ? and what ELSE are you going to do with that certain time and alleged expertise if not sign this stuff ?
mircea_popescu: e first to 1 and the 2nd to 0, and then go 1 = 0 har har.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225151 << this proposition is false. similarly, going to the market has "all downside and no upside" for goers : they know for a fact they'll spend money. and who knows if the stuff they get will be any good, won't spoil en route, won't get stolen before they get home or for that matter won't sprout heads and tentacles and eat them. so let's "safely" aka stupidly round th
☝︎ mircea_popescu: in short we gotta restructure this pancake castle less it falls over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shouldn't, in browser that respect "font size=small".
mircea_popescu: how about submiutting a "This doesn't work - don't use it" thing on the broken one
mircea_popescu: plox tell me it's not one of those where everyone is waiting for me to do it first or something.
mircea_popescu: which is why the fuck we evern have the complexsignature scheme in place.
mircea_popescu: of course the logical approach would be to promote to stable ml patches that were signed
mircea_popescu: the more common cop out is "fuck you, it's all testing".
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the heroism of "fuck you, it's all stable". but then that comes at a cost.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, most everyone but us has a stable and a testing list.
mircea_popescu: the ml process needs some reviewing. it's sort of grown organically to a point where it's troublematic.
mircea_popescu: you know world is on fire to that degree pretty much weekly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list.
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