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mircea_popescu: you mean, on
the public record ? so next
time starry-eyed Framedragger walks in and is all "oh, princeton, respectable institution" i link him above3 and he has
to somehow deal with
the cognitive dissonance ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original
thing did
they
take from phuctor, may i ask?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: since when
the fuck does stern look @ slavegirl include litany of misdeeds ? let HER know what she did wrong and let HER fix it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll include
the why in a formal proceeding. let
them FIRST clean up
their act
Framedragger: asciilifeform:
the one with whatshisname,
the german?
Framedragger: if
they ignore
then - i'll donate
to bitcoin foundation a bit for generating noise.
Framedragger: well, why don't i (unless someone else already planned
to do it first?) write
to
those folks on
that ML, informing of phuctor,
to see
their response? maybe futile at
this point and useless, but at least a more constructive reaction.
Framedragger: the fact
that djb knows and ignores does indeed speak ill of him, i agree.
Framedragger: granted, phuctor gets crawled *more* / *a lot* (i presume, from what you had been
telling). so i understand
the incredulity of "you haven't heard?!!"
Framedragger: well, my relay descriptor search service also got crawled loads, but
the fact
that people didn't know about it wasn't because people ignored it; but just
that meat-people (not bots) weren't aware of it.
Framedragger: top hit for every pgp keyid?
that's pretty neat.
Framedragger: and you absolutely cannot fathom
the humble
thought
that
they simply didn't hear about phuctor?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ok i've read it; so your chief issue is
that
they didn't mention phuctor in-between
the initial 2012 study and
the 2016 years correct? i mean, bear with me, i'm not baiting.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the "originate
the idea" hogwash is ridiculouys. next you'\re going
to bring defenses in copyright cases based on "grimm brothers didn't invent
the alphabet so
therefore ineptitude is a ok!!1"
Framedragger: okay i
think i know how
trinque feels when being side-dragged into non sequiturs.
Framedragger: so, phuctor didn't originate
the idea, is all.
Framedragger: possible weaknesses of rsa keys and
the idea
to run a "your relay key is weak" service as part of
tor metrics infrastructure (tor metrics itself is an old project, ca. 2011)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz :
try and find WHERE you register a complaint with
teh fucking shitshow
that pretends
to be a university.
Framedragger: how about "was discussed in developer meetings *long ago*" (the counter will be "you didn't
tell us
then so FU", so w/e i guess.)
mircea_popescu: ima file a complaint with
the princeton plagiarism police.
Framedragger knows phf and asn from
that list personally and knows for certain
that
they didn't 'plagiarize' from phuctor. but whatever, if phuctor not cited, it's plagiarism because independent
thought not possible, etc.
mircea_popescu: (somebody plox send
to asn@torproject.org claudiar@princeton.edu laurar@csa.princeton.edu an' pwinter@cs.princeton.edu a notice saying "you forgot
to quote phuctor, you dorks".)
mircea_popescu: there's by now a list of about 3-4 of
these, all of
them similarily sufficient on own strength.
mircea_popescu: and in ib, i expect
the correct indexing will still be block height .
tx index.
mircea_popescu: this item clearly gets rolled up into
the "either move
to ib or die with prb" eventual fork.
mircea_popescu: as it expects somehow "what's right"
to matter naturally.
mircea_popescu: right or wrong make absolutely no difference, even
though it's how
the female brain gets caught in
this
mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in
this vein :
they
themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce
them.
the us collapsed out of an attempt
to declare
that "they, not us, are
the bad guys" without
the actual strength
to enforce
this ; so did
the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who
tries
to
tell her kid what
to do out of line.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yes. what do you want me
to do, shit antimatter ingots ?
mircea_popescu: there is
that. but his proposed de facto multiindex (block height
txn height
txid) works.
mircea_popescu: yeah, on contemplation it's not actually used for anything "standard" so
to speak, is it.
mircea_popescu: now
then : 09f691b2263260e71f363d1db51ff3100d285956a40cc0e4f8c8c2c4a80559b1 spends a4bfa8ab6435ae5f25dae9d89e4eb67dfa94283ca751f393c1ddc5a837bbc31b ; for
this purpose it actually uses
the genesis block hash.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:18 asciilifeform: is what i see in
there
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i misstated. it spends bitcoin (from a4bfa8ab6435ae5f25dae9d89e4eb67dfa94283ca751f393c1ddc5a837bbc31b ) for which purpose it needs
the genesis block hash
mircea_popescu: god i'm going
to have
to delve into
the whole pile of ancient history
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 20:19 mircea_popescu: idiot example #1 : peter
todd & prb idiots came up with "a way
to do
things", which does not in fact work.
mircea_popescu: some puzzle bs. you might remember we discussed
that whole nonsense recently.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i misstated. it spends bitcoin (from a4bfa8ab6435ae5f25dae9d89e4eb67dfa94283ca751f393c1ddc5a837bbc31b ) for which purpose it needs
the genesis block hash
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
take for instance 09f691b2263260e71f363d1db51ff3100d285956a40cc0e4f8c8c2c4a80559b1 : it spends bitcoin produced in
the genesis block, and it
thereby uses
the hash of
that block.
mircea_popescu: (ie, if you don't also save
the block hash, you can't do some edge cases of (currently mostly unsupported, but historically used)
txn.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
take for instance 09f691b2263260e71f363d1db51ff3100d285956a40cc0e4f8c8c2c4a80559b1 : it spends bitcoin produced in
the genesis block, and it
thereby uses
the hash of
that block.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637547 << you certainly need
the pubkey of
the input address, which was back in
the day
the rationale behind
the whole "don't reuse addresses"
thing --
the pubkey of an address which has paid before is known ;
the pubkey of an address which has not paid before isn't known.
☝︎☟︎ shinohai: Q: who here in
this circle-jerk sycophant orgy supports
the delusion of ideal money, given
that Buttcoin is an anti-fragile standard
top-down controlled by whales? Ideal for whom? No need
to wait for
the lulz."
shinohai: "Free feel
to pass on my question, so he can prepare.
ben_vulpes: but ben_vulpes steals
time from mary
to pay peter or how did it go, must away again
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: point me
to a 'somewhere', if you'd be so kind
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pretty sure you also need
the block hash somewhere
ben_vulpes: eg produce some data a user can use on an entirely separate box
to make and sign
txns for rebroadcast however