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asciilifeform: goodnight diana_coman
mircea_popescu: diana_coman newton -> einstein is precisely changing a set of lies for a better set of lies. world dun work as physics says, nor ever did. however -- better lies work better.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:56 diana_coman: to my mind that's precisely the thing: it's not (or not only) that "screaming meat" but the fact that at the end of it, it's only a replacement with what is in fact an inferior, not a superior thing
mircea_popescu: diana_coman sure, why not. for the same money could just blame god tho.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman "coincidentally", in the pantsuit sense of coincidence.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:40 diana_coman: with the added bonus that Ibraileanu in 1909 cites from the same piece of Caragiale (Politica si cultura) with the comment that Caragiale was the most acerbic critic of... "liberalism" (the quotations marks are Ibraileanu's) that is further explained as "partidul <<ros>>" aka the red party.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:15 asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'didn't get to the part where it gets better' << this is the distinct impression i get . and i suspect on acct of the shoemaker being soft.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:12 diana_coman: ftr funnily enough precisely fish was very much missing from ro diet to such extent that yes, there were slogans "nici o masa fara peste"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there were two major earthquakes in romania : nov 1940, and march 1977.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, useful and durable. romania got a hidro power structure, for instance. the reason it even has power today.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:11 diana_coman: (not to mention it's easier without, no?) ; circul foamei
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:11 diana_coman: and that's valid for the 1000 bakeries too; I suppose one can argue that it's still an achievement to have bakeries with no bread than to have no bakeries and stale bread but I don't buy it; and note that in the 80's the latest brightest idea (in the same vein, all hail!) was to further do this sort of great "improvement", to wit the communal "neighbourhood kitchen" to get rid of such waste as having individual kitchens in every hruscheba
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:08 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901855 -> his "move" was - as most - very much in the vein of "this is the shop where we don't have fish"
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to bite, an' ask, diana_coman , why the '83 adlais 'not elite', but the tail ends of habsburg absentee landlords somehow 'elite'
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the point of the discussion, though, is to not end up accidentally banning shitting just because ceausescu was known to shit.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:08 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901855 -> his "move" was - as most - very much in the vein of "this is the shop where we don't have fish"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:24 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is where i admit that it is above my paygrade to say just how 'maybe without shoemaker, less worse and shorter' . if there's a way to keep neighbours from turning yer congo into a resource extraction base without marching peasants at gunpoint to city and having'em stand in front of lathes to make kalashes, i do not know it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is where i admit that it is above my paygrade to say just how 'maybe without shoemaker, less worse and shorter' . if there's a way to keep neighbours from turning yer congo into a resource extraction base without marching peasants at gunpoint to city and having'em stand in front of lathes to make kalashes, i do not know it ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:15 diana_coman: sure; as mircea_popescu pointed out already, Romania lost already earlier than that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901850
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'didn't get to the part where it gets better' << this is the distinct impression i get . and i suspect on acct of the shoemaker being soft. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:23 mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in what sense was the attempt 'out of nothing' ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to paraphrase mao, the jury's still out on whether industry was in fact good deal vs horse an' plow
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am pleased to inform, we have regular blackouts in washingtonistan, despite 0 industry ( combo of 'errybody has air conditioner' , summer, and 19th c.-style pole wiring - winter )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i must add also that i went for a week to timis, and for 5 days went past fish market, each time finding there 0 fish. apparently shooting the shoemaker did not fix..
asciilifeform: diana_coman: historic inland peasant may well have easily born and died without eating a fish, tho
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:24 mircea_popescu: diana_coman but ~which people~ ? whole point of industrialization is moving from the traditional to the modern. is the idea that ceausescu is somehow personally responsible for the fact ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but ~which people~ ? whole point of industrialization is moving from the traditional to the modern. is the idea that ceausescu is somehow personally responsible for the fact ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince) ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can't get behind the usual reaction where 'noshit, this is retarded, what didja expect' tho. how the fuck ~else~ do you properly purge an oldregime wot ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sounds like replay of early sovok
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to expand ?
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 20:32 diana_coman: learn != reuse code or even tech
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ever read any varlaam shalamov ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'no useful'. but possibly 'very little'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to expand here : what in particular is to be learned ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll admit that it isn't clear to me how effort put into baking glue for oddball nonstandard ircisms helps in re gossipd . irc as i see it is an entirely dead-end tech ( rides on tcp, and 0 notion of crypto , and cannot be retrofitted really )
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : i'm also not 100% convinced that the proposed multi-network thing is actually less of a nut to crack than adult gossipd. ( consider, how wouldja do authentication ? the extant ircd's support either '~nuffin, anyone can hijack session' or ssltardism . )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the central headache afaik is http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128269 , i.e. the various nets have an idjit user lock-in thing going
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs. ☟︎☟︎
deedbot: PeterL rated diana_coman 1 << Wrote eucrypt, keccac implementation, etc. - ossasepia.com
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 23:28 trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/}
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 10:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
trinque: diana_coman: woohoo! thanks for your help and patience!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the imports in the asmolade were the 'smoking gun' there
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ima re-read on this an' see.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 23:28 trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/}
trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/} ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what ended up being the problem then, i'm not getting something here.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, apparently it expects to be called with a bitstream, which is a peculiarly inconvenient datastruct in practice.
mircea_popescu: bflame how about you make yourself useful and implement a keccak as discussed ^ then patch diana_coman 's tree with it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i mean that instead of keccak receiving array of bits stored in octets, keccak receives (and processes) a eucomms field.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you see the wisdom in implementing a keccak variant that uses eucomms-style fields ? so that something like "hello world" would be passed as 0x01146865 6c6c6f77 6f726c64
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 13:08 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, the bit version blows up buffers even more because it uses *internally* arrays of bits as per http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/01/eucrypt-chapter-8-bit-level-keccak-sponge/#selection-51.100-51.594
mircea_popescu: phf pretty sure that's the wrong version of it ? iirc there was also a keccak that didn't explode ? diana_coman ?
trinque: diana_coman: there oughta be a cuntoo/portage dir inside the build dir
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 21:48 diana_coman: hm, if it's indeed the tmp thing, it might be worth a try to press vtools to current leaf (i.e. vtools_tempfile_standalone or _notmp) and see if that cures it; my archive contains pressed vtools to ksum patch only, not further
trinque: diana_coman: I'm running again with a vdiff pressed to http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878057 ☝︎
trinque: diana_coman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rWreS/?raw=true << here's the diff of your genesis and mine again
mircea_popescu: diana_coman see, if it is broken code, then it just eats all stack available. but i suspect here code is sound, demand on stack defensibly large.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 'errything on stack' approach has its limits; it is why i wrote the mmap thing (currently stuck in limbo , but i'ma have to revive it and fix, cuz ffa 17 also is hitting against this wall, you can't expect to put 100MB on stack, you gotta mmap it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think he's trapped in some sorta cube hell; the squarebracket thing mircea_popescu asked for also not happened yet etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc it throws whole file on the stack, but then also keccak eats stack
mircea_popescu: diana_coman try it with the megastack size from before, calling tests ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i do not presently know where is the barf threshold, i suspect it depends on yer stack size
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 15:10 diana_coman: onth in unexpected results and assorted ugh: vdiff ends up in stack overflow ran on those
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 22:43 trinque: diana_coman, other folks that have cuntooed, can y'all confirm that the paths that ended up in your genesis.vpatch do not in fact exist? I'd like you to reproduce the commands starting at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh in your build directories, i.e. cd ~/src/cuntoo/build/cuntoo and then run them, as root
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 21:48 diana_coman: hm, if it's indeed the tmp thing, it might be worth a try to press vtools to current leaf (i.e. vtools_tempfile_standalone or _notmp) and see if that cures it; my archive contains pressed vtools to ksum patch only, not further
trinque: diana_coman, other folks that have cuntooed, can y'all confirm that the paths that ended up in your genesis.vpatch do not in fact exist? I'd like you to reproduce the commands starting at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh in your build directories, i.e. cd ~/src/cuntoo/build/cuntoo and then run them, as root ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman right on schedule!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: neato, i once spent half a summer in 'heroes 2' also
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 19:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. lemme know which flavours the kid ended up liking, i may have moar in the depths of the warez chests along those lines.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: congrats on fix
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, odd tripwire is odd tripwire
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Reset
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.
lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 41 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It sees the disks. Unplugging keyboard and monitor from diana_coman's test box
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Your live environment is ready. This is the same live image hanbot has been using. Changes made to the live environment will not persist.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true
asciilifeform: diana_coman: BingoBoingo set out for the cellar just nao.
asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 17:53 asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/feb_16_tasks_o.html
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz try now
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hm lemme see
asciilifeform: keccak is currently on chalkboard, diana_coman's aint usable for the purpose (not const. time)
mircea_popescu: ty diana_coman !
a111: Logged on 2019-03-02 23:34 mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw, can i get you to "update posts set post_content = REPLACE(post_content, 'http://polimedia.us/trilema/', 'http://trilema.com/');" ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw, can i get you to "update posts set post_content = REPLACE(post_content, 'http://polimedia.us/trilema/', 'http://trilema.com/');" ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman isn't it how it always goes... most of the "internet population" populating (by its own lights) the place sports a life expectancy insufficient to justify the genetic outlay of the average mouse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, re rotaku club : ever seen http://ossasepia.com/2011/10/03/bicicleta-mitza-si-printul-soseta-de-sirata/ ? diana_coman being quite lyrical!
asciilifeform: oh hm diana_coman did it ?
mircea_popescu: but afaik this hasn't been seriously tried since diana_coman did it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what does it do ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: neato. tho i did find that the arm build won't build a x86 gnat ( still afaik mystery )